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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Not just European; practically everyone who made diesel cars was at it.

I am curious. Do you happen to have a source for it?

List of the main ones who got in trouble here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#Fiat_...

And it's not like this was the first time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device

It's really quite weird that it has become associated so closely with Volkswagen.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?

Do you have to buy a "Sport Utility Vehicle"? Sedans like the Model 3 have a higher range.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I am never buying a Volkswagen after the Volkswagen Emissions Scandal in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

If you want to hold a long-term personal boycott against Volkswagon for immoral business practice, I assure you there are better reasons than the diesel emissions testing scandal.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?

A used Premier Bolt with DC quick charging is a good compromise here. The car software is well done, and while it isn't updated often that just means you can expect less bugs than Tesla's constantly updated software. Downsides to the Bolt include OnStar, 3rd party quick chargers are often broken, and their app is absolute garbage. Other than that I think ~$15k for 200+ miles is amazing.

What I don't think people understand is how quick these batteries can be charged. It is a plug in, get lunch, go to the bathroom, maybe stretch a bit, and get back on the road type of deal.

How long does somebody really want to be driving/sitting in a car non-stop?

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Absolutely. If the battery were easily swappable, either by me or a low cost service center, AND a promise of bigger batteries was made, I'd probably bite. But as it sits, it seems like batteries are very central to the car and rather cost prohibitive to swap out.

After swearing up and down that they would never do battery swaps, Tesla demonstrated a 90 second swap back in 2012. They held a few events in California to get enough swaps to meet ZEV benchmarks and get nearly $300mil. When they were called out they removed any reference to the program and pretended like it never happened. https://web.archive.org/web/20140331102655/http://www.teslam... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

Battery swaps are incredibly costly for the company - those units generally cost more than 10k - sometimes as high as 20k. Given that they are the majority of the cost of the vehicle it's not a great business proposition for manufacturers to offer to replace a battery for anything less than the majority of the cost of a new vehicle which consumers simply won't go for.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I'm kicking around the idea of an electric car, but the ranges of these things just utterly disappoint me. With some companies offering, or planning to offer 500ish mile ranges, it would feel immediately outdated to me to throw 40k on something with a ~200 mile range. Is battery tech that different between companies, is it cost prohibitive?

Do you have to buy a "Sport Utility Vehicle"? Sedans like the Model 3 have a higher range.

Unfortunately, I do. I am very tall with bad knees and while some sedans fit me fine, getting in and out of them is excruciating. About the smallest thing I've been comfortable with is a Chevy Equinox, to give you a size comparison. It's more about the ride height than the size of the vehicle, but they seem to go hand in hand.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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I am never buying a Volkswagen after the Volkswagen Emissions Scandal in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

How many "cheating" diesel vehicles did Volkswagen sell in the USA?

Not enough to matter, even if they had no emissions controls at all.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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How often do you drive that far? The farthest I drive in one go is 350 miles and I only make that trip once every other year because it's exhausting. (If I could fly there I probably would.) A vehicle with a 100 mile range would cover pretty much all the other driving I do regularly.

I'm curious... are you in the US? 350 miles is definitely within the realm of reason here-- a couple friends and I made an impulsive 250-something mile trip a couple weeks ago, and my family took a road trip to Florida over the past summer (normally we'd fly, but COVID)-- that trip was actually in an electric car and ended up being about 4 hours longer than it would be in a gas car. Depending on where you are, 350 mi…

I struggle to see how an electric car added four hours to a 250 mile trip. Unless you are counting both ways maybe? Even then, a 250 mile range EV would need one or two charging stops. Fast charging could just be 2-3 hours for both stops. At most.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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It's a huge cost and weight penalty that makes no sense 99% of the time. You seem to be stuck in a 2010 mindset - battery swapping in particular is a hilarious failure of an idea. Watch out for the world overtaking you.

As someone who drives about 300 miles each way rather regularly, for me it -is- a real concern. Re: battery swapping, are you referring to the idea of like, hot swapping batteries on the road, or swapping to an upgraded battery at some point? I'm only specifically interested in the latter.

600 mile round trips are not a common use case. You are going to have to be patient with two full charging stops, or pay a premium.
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