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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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"The books stopped working" is a fantastic writing prompt for a dystopian novel.

Take a look at this great story from Richard Stallman: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

I was reminded of a 2-minute video from the FSF, Shoe tool.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/presenting-shoetool-happ...

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

My understanding WRT buying a movie on iTunes was: 1. If you download the movie, you will always have the ability to play the movie you downloaded . 2. As long as Apple has the rights to distribute the movie, you will be able to re-download it again 3. If Apple loses the rights, and you don't have your own backed up copy , it's lost. It's the same for Audible books; which is why I always d/l and backup any movie or b…

Luckily this has been true for Apple so far. But there is still the chance in the future that they stop supporting the DRM (either voluntarily or involuntarily).

Just look what happened to Microsoft's ironically named "PlaysForSure" DRM. They shut down the DRM servers in 2008 and made everyone's "purchased" content unplayable.

edit: I double-checked how Apple FairPlay DRM works to make sure I wasn't mistaken. But no, to play FairPlay DRMed content, you need to log in with iTunes which downloads your user decryption key. So if you got banned from Apple's services (credit card chargebacks, etc) then you can no longer log in to play your content, even if you have the media files. So you are only licensing it for as long as you agree to the terms of service, not buying it.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #215

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> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

Yes but that's not the same thing. You're arguing in the "physical/digital" debate and I believe evryone will agree that digital is better in most cases. Physically owning something is nice for the memorabilia and for those who still have DVD/CD players but that's not the biggest use case. The topic here is DRM vs non-DRM'd media. It's orthogonal to the topic of physicality: you can have DRM'd physical media (think G…

I think the point is it’s not a scam because these businesses are of value to you overall. That they decided they needed DRM to make sustainable business is unfortunate but doesn’t make it a scam. The words may be scammy in this case, but digital media is better than physical media and you get the good with the bad.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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post #215

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> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

Yes but that's not the same thing. You're arguing in the "physical/digital" debate and I believe evryone will agree that digital is better in most cases. Physically owning something is nice for the memorabilia and for those who still have DVD/CD players but that's not the biggest use case. The topic here is DRM vs non-DRM'd media. It's orthogonal to the topic of physicality: you can have DRM'd physical media (think G…

> I believe evryone will agree that digital is better in most cases

If you include modern piracy in with "digital", sure. If you only include legal offerings, absolutely not.

Even DRM'd physical media that doesn't use the network in any way to authenticate is way better than DRM'd digital media, which you can never truly own, and which exists at the folly of the service operator.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This whole streaming idea has also got me thinking about how we are not leaving behind a legacy. There is nothing to discover once you are gone. Your subscription just... ends. I’m not sure that’s how I want to live. I mean, it’s convenient having access. But now that I have had access, it’s clear that I actually still have to shop around on the services, and so I might maybe just as well buy what I want instead of b…

Your legacy is the content you've purchased and not the things you've built?

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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> I have tons of music ripped from CDs Are you suggesting that it's a simple and convenient thing to do for the public?

Are you suggesting that it's not? Maybe I'm out of touch with both the state of technology and the general public (guilty on both counts), but last I checked major operating systems all came with CD ripping software included. Do people really not have CD drives any more or something?

A fair number of people probably don't have CD drives any longer given you generally don't need them to install software. But you can buy one on Amazon for < $20 so that's certainly not a huge barrier for people who want to.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Just to nuance the nuance... We do not have an alternative to petrol based plastic for our current economy. Yes, we can make plastic from non-fossil biomass, but it's energetically feasible to replace petrol based plastics. We don't have the landmass, fertilizer, ... to switch completely. (Especially, if you consider the big picture: Biofuel, carbon sinks, food security, ...) In a way petrol chemistry bought the plan…

Infeasible I think you meant

Yes! Thanks for pointing it out!

> ... but it's energetically infeasible to replace petrol based plastics

(2nd paragraph)

I am using this throw-awayish account with a lacking mobile app and cannot edit. So by all means, everyone, consider selimthegrim's comment a shame-edit to mine.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Do you think it'd be a good idea to force companies to open source abandonware? We could claw back space from copyright laws, and force companies to remove DRM schemes, open source DRM-ed copyright, servers and any/all assets required to run "the store" locally. This is analogous to right to repair, DRM "breaking" your property should be banned.

The trouble is that the company may not own the rights to everything involved. This has been an issue for some companies that have tried to open up old games. Sometimes you have libraries, like Bink video (infamously) that are licensed and are not compatible with open licenses. There might be issues with the game engines or with assets. e.g. it's not uncommon to have music licensed for use in the game, but the rights…

Opensourcing the code is different from including music or graphical assets that are licensed. The Bink issue is legitimate, yes, but there's nothing stopping them from stripping copyrighted assets from the game prior to opensourcing. Harmonix's source for Guitar Hero II on PS2 would be nice to see in such a form, for example (and their engine is pretty much entirely bespoke, so no real worries about license incompatibility). Along with the necessary tools to build our own assets (that we can't already do with homebrew tools).

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

Imagine a bank marketing itself as "No reasonable consumer would believe that their deposits will remain in the bank indefinitely" This is a really awe-inspiring, a complete rejection of the concept of ownership

I'm just back to pirating shamelessly. Emby, Radarr, nzbget.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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The double-facedness pisses me off:

When it's digital, you're only buying the right to watch something, not to own your copy.

When it's physical, you're only buying your copy, not the right to watch it indefinitely.

The odds are always slanted to favor Hollywood: they get to make you pay to watch the same title every time the viewing technology changes (VHS -> DVD -> digital), but also use the specter of piracy to curtail your rights with what you did buy.

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