Let’s say you buy 5 movies from Apple and then the CC on file expires before they billed you for a $0.99 app you bought, so you owe Apple $0.99. They will now block you from ALL access to anything you have already “purchased” until you pay them.
Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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I would require copyright holders to renew their copyright. 5 years for free, then $1 for the 6th year, $2 for the 7th, $4 for the 8th, $8 for the 9th, $1m for the 25th, etc.
Not every copyright holder is a massive corporation. Artists produce many pieces per year. That would cost them a lot to keep copyrights.
Right, this is the problem: how to protect normal people without giving large companies more power? And how to do it when the companies are the ones in the room with lawmakers?
Non-transferable copyright/patents?
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#243Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…
Physical media fails too, it's become a real problem in the retro gaming world. Optical discs start to break down and even worse optical drives wear out with no viable replacements. So piracy helps preserve physical media too.
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iTunes is also a DRM-free music store. (Assuming you buy and aren’t using Apple Music.)
I wonder if we'd have gotten there without Jobs. It seems it happened in a moment of time when there was still a lot of piracy going on so there was a big push to make purchased digital music as good as/better than pirated music. Maybe today there would be a general feeling that DRM-free would be the only incentive for people to buy music given that streaming predominates, so why not, but I'm not sure.
Here's an archive link for those who didn't see it back in 2007: https://web.archive.org/web/20070207234839/http://www.apple....
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#245Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…
I love my physical media free life.
I love not having to deal with storage for my collection.
I love that my content got upgraded from HD to 4K.
I love that I have all my movies available at both of my homes, and while traveling.
I don’t give the single tiniest shit about Apple knowing that I just watched a movie.
I think the odds of Apple serving me my movies in 30 years is higher than the odds of me having working dvd and blu-ray players in 30 years. Not 100% in either case, but I’ll roll the dice.
I didn’t get scammed. I got a more convenient life.
If I had a magic wand, I’d make it so I could cheaply re-sell content that I’m done with, but it’s not a bad trade off.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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For me, the advantage is that I don't have to go find the disc and physically insert it, and deal with whatever disc was in there before. I get to just watch my movie when I want. I also don't have to physically store the discs, which is a bigger deal than it sounds like. I really don't want shelves and shelves of books and movies in my house. I have a few bookcases of our favorites, and that's it. Even better is mon…
Former me would agree with you, but I hit my breaking point when I saw Microsoft eBooks stop working, or shows I liked pulled from streaming services. There is no permanence no matter how much I pay when media has DRM. I for one only pull dvds out of the box once ever. It is easy enough to rip DVDs or Blu-rays to a NAS and use Kodi. Sadly that option is becoming less and less possible as many shows become streaming p…
This is why I built a home media server with Jellyfin and Navidrome. Nothing will "go away", short of a fire or multiple drives failing at once. I keep a physical copy in a separate house, and back up the essentials with duplicacy to backblaze b2.
In the last few years I've spent more than ever on cds through discogs.com.
"Sadly that option is becoming less and less possible as many shows become streaming platform exclusives."
Certain websites say otherwise. Luckily my main focus is music, where nearly everything I want is already in the used market, so the original artist won't see any money.
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> I have tons of music ripped from CDs Are you suggesting that it's a simple and convenient thing to do for the public?
Yes...all you had to do with iTunes was insert a disc and click a button. After a couple of minutes, the tracks would all be in your library with metadata pulled from the internet. Everyone I knew who had a computer used to duplicate CDs for their car and make mixes.
looks at laptop
Hmmm...
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Hmmm...
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Hmm...Oh, I know!
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Nope. I don't have a disk drive on a computer and haven't for several years now. Sure, I could get one, but optical drives have been optional equipment for a while now.
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#248I fully agree with this lawsuit. I felt OK with "purchasing" movies from Apple at the Blu-Ray retail price, because I was under the impression that my files remain mine so that if I backup them correctly, I can watch the movie later. By now, I know that this isn't the case. If I had known earlier, I wouldn't have paid full price for a limited digital copy. Instead, I would have purchased the Blu-Ray which - if you tr…
If I put money in a bank, it is fungible; I can move it to another bank, another account, another person.
If I buy a license to play a video game on Steam, I only own that license on Steam with one account (with some exceptions and provisions for gifting etc).
If I buy a license to for a movie on iTunes, I only own that license on iTunes tied to one account.
Will consumers band together and demand that their media licenses be fungible?
In other words, how many things are 'accidental banks'
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
#249Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…
Do you think it'd be a good idea to force companies to open source abandonware? We could claw back space from copyright laws, and force companies to remove DRM schemes, open source DRM-ed copyright, servers and any/all assets required to run "the store" locally. This is analogous to right to repair, DRM "breaking" your property should be banned.
The trouble is that the company may not own the rights to everything involved. This has been an issue for some companies that have tried to open up old games. Sometimes you have libraries, like Bink video (infamously) that are licensed and are not compatible with open licenses. There might be issues with the game engines or with assets. e.g. it's not uncommon to have music licensed for use in the game, but the rights don't include redistributing in other forms or producing something like a soundtrack. Stock music often has licenses that allow use in something like a game or movie, but disallow redistributing the file. (That was a sticking point for Bioshock Infinite: they produced their own new arrangements of some popular songs, but didn't have more costly licensing necessary to release a soundtrack.)
Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies
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I used to be somewhat skeptical of the convenience claim. A former colleague argued that the attraction of Napster was more about convenience than price which I didn't really buy. But if we look at the popularity of streaming services today versus owning even DRM-free music, that would seem to support the convenience theory. (It hasn't taken off for books to the same degree but I'd guess that's in part because the va…
Owning music is made much more difficult now that the ability to use it has been greatly diminished. Many new cars don't even come with CD players. Sure, there are work arounds, but I think that moves us beyond a measure of "convenience".
What device are you using that allows you to stream music but can't play from audio files you bought? I don't find the difference between spotify and MP3s that large.