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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by zepto »

lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

> Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone.

If you mean books, then yes.

If you mean DVDs, then no - many TVs will report what you are watching back to the manufacturer.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #190
lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

I typed a big long response and deleted it because I think that people just do not care.

Microsoft "Plays For Sure" is all you need to say ...

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by zepto »

hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

I don’t think Apple should pay a penalty - because buying ‘licenses’ is a commonplace activity online, and is essentially always what you are buying when you buy a digital item.

However I agree with you. We should have a different word. Maybe even ‘license’ instead of buy.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by everdrive »

ectopod wrote: post #96
beckman466 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. I am so excited for my great-great-great-great ... grandchildren to find a layer of plastic DVDs in the earth’s crust 25 generations from now /s. Seriously, Blu ray discs and DVDs are such a waste of resources.

How does the energy use compare of stamping out a DVD and of streaming a movie to your TV? Especially if it's a film you (or your children) watch repeatedly. The answer is not obvious. According to [1], mailing a DVD and streaming a film use about the same amount of energy. This doesn't include the energy cost of manufacturing the DVD, but stamping out plastic disks is cheap, so it can't be too high. On the other han…

These are all really good points, but what about the cost at the data center?

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by judge2020 »

gwd wrote: post #24
hyperman1 wrote: post #13

This seams the core of Apple's defence: Apple contends that '[n]o reasonable consumer would believe' that purchased content would remain on the iTunes platform indefinitely which is a flagrant difference between ownership of physical items and non-cloud items vs cloud items. This strikes at the root of our society's definition of ownership. Clarification should not depend on Apple, or even a court. This should be ens…

My understanding WRT buying a movie on iTunes was: 1. If you download the movie, you will always have the ability to play the movie you downloaded . 2. As long as Apple has the rights to distribute the movie, you will be able to re-download it again 3. If Apple loses the rights, and you don't have your own backed up copy , it's lost. It's the same for Audible books; which is why I always d/l and backup any movie or b…

The best of both worlds is movies that come with a digital code (usually moviesanywhere.com codes now) so you have both the physical media and the ability to enjoy the digital title on a digital library.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by Kye »

cblconfederate wrote: post #174
Kye wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PayPal isn't a bank. They don't have the same obligations or protection. When a bank closes your account, they mail you a check with the balance, and that balance is insured up to $250,000. I don't know how it works in other countries, but they probably have something like the FDIC.

It's a bank in the EU

Do they have the same reputation in the EU?

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by datavirtue »

opinologo wrote: post #166
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #138

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"The books stopped working" is a fantastic writing prompt for a dystopian novel.

Take a look at this great story from Richard Stallman: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

It's chilling how much this doesn't sound rediculous.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by Latty »

GuB-42 wrote: post #178
Latty wrote: post #97

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Shame GOG don't care about your privacy. When they published a profile page for you without asking first, leaking your personal data and what games you owned to anyone you had friended before, I contacted them and they just straight up said they didn't think it was a problem. No DRM is a marketing gimmick for them, they don't actually care about the privacy of their customers.

No DRM is not just about privacy, far from it. The most important aspect is that as long as you have a compatible system and a good backup policy, you will never lose access to what you bought. No DRM can help with privacy but they are mostly independent. There is DRM that doesn't violate your privacy, like hardware keys typical of arcade machines, oldschool copy protection and game cartridges. And I think Nintendo h…

Oh, for sure. I'm just saying that "they don't use DRM, therefore they care about privacy and we should support them" isn't going to hold. I agree no DRM is better, but as you say, there is more to privacy than that.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by elliekelly »

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #262

Buying a DVD is also only buying a limited license (you can't, for example, legally make copies of that DVD or use it for public performances). Buying a blu-ray is even more of a gray area with the key schemes being fundamentally more complex and internet-updatable. It's possible the blu-ray you bought and watched last year may not work on your player anymore. I agree that it's wrong to say you're "buying" movies fro…

I could be wrong but I think you can legally make copies of a DVD you own so long as it’s only for personal use and not for distribution.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by Mikho »

It's not so much about nature of DRM streaming vs having a movie on your disk. The whole debate is really about Apple misleading users into overpaying for a mere rent of a movie. When you buy something and have a complete ownershio you treat this expense differently than renting expense. You dont pay full price of a thing just to rent it.
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