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Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Post by cainxinth »

Spooky23 wrote: post #254
gambiting wrote: post #203

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So my sister does professional photography, and went from a 16GB MacBook Pro(2016) to an 8GB Air, and reports no decrease of productivity - quite the opposite, in her experience all Adobe programs run much faster, and the machine is quieter and lighter to boot. So yeah, I'm not sure - maybe the ram amount isn't as a big deal as people make it out to be. On the other hand I'm a C++ programer and my workstation has 128…

The sweet spot is 8GB for most people. I’d guess 80% 8GB/15% 16GB and 5% more. Even many types of developers are fine with 8. Apple collects a lot of metrics and I’m sure they know this well.

The M1 also means that Apple regains full stack control of its desktops and laptops. Their phones and tablets prove that when they develop both the main chips and operating systems themselves, they are able to eke out greater performance from lesser specs.

Flagship iPhones always have less ram than flagship androids, but match or exceed their performance.

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Post by runeks »

alberth wrote: post #369

ARM is not more efficient / faster because it’s “newer”. People imply ARM is relatively new and thus could correct for the misdirection x86 has gone. 1978 is when x86 was introduced. 1985 is when ARM was introduced. ARM isn’t that much newer than x86. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

Honest question: could it be a matter of backwards compatibility?

Intel has been piling stuff on top of old architectures in order to stay backwards compatible at each step, while Apple had the opportunity to develop their architecture from scratch? I don’t know the answer, I’m just curious.

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Post by fiatSuxxxx »

klelatti wrote: post #150

One thing which I don't think has been commented on is the marketing effort behind the M1. It's getting a lot of prominence and its use across lots of computers means that there can be a consistent message that "M1 is great - get a new Mac and get an M1". It also provides an opportunity to distinguish between M1 and the next generation M2 (presumably). I've always thought Intel's marketing was a bit confused - i7 sta…

I'm not convinced this is all Organic. Given Apples poor ethics I imagine lots of this is astroturfing or free equipment that demands positive reviews. Along with an upvote factory.

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Post by robthebrew »

raxxorrax wrote: post #362
thehnguy wrote: post #311

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The M1 isn't what kills x86 (if it ever does completely). ARM kills x86. Microsoft is working on the ARM transition. ARM has good control of mobile hardware. And Apple will be only selling ARM hardware (in the form of Apple Silicon) in another 12-18 months. M1 and Apple Silicon are just part of the trend.

The main feature for me isn't the ARM, it is that the device is passively cooled and still very performant. If that isn't possible with x68, ARM might have a chance perhaps. But 99% of my time is still spend on that platform. I just wish I could install Linux.... If MS and Apple just provide their locked down environments, it will never be more to me than a neat device and I would still crosscompile instead of bindin…

http://vaibhavkaushal.com/ubuntu-focal-on-apple-silicon-m1/

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Post by ajayyy »

apatheticonion wrote: post #341
novaRom wrote: post #242

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Basically many modern Android phones today work perfectly well paired wirelessly with modern TV screen. Enable desktop mode, pair with a mouse and keyboard, and you have a kind of working environment: video chat, programming, text editing, office apps - all exists. That's actually how to watch youtube without ads, because non-Android TV has no freetube/newPipe apps.

Sadly I can't use a terminal or VSCode on Android so I can't use it as a development environment.

You can run vscode with termux and even a full X server, connecting over VNC.

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Post by runeks »

eertami wrote: post #353
apatheticonion wrote: post #154

Can't wait for an iPhone Pro with an M1 processor that I can plug into a thunderbolt/usbc dock, run monitors, a keyboard, ethernet, and have it running MacOS when in desktop mode. EDIT: A little context; when I am in the office, I use vscode over ssh to connect to my desktop PC at home. My desktop takes care of my language server, syntax highlighting, compilation and vscode forwards my ports and spins up terminals. A…

They could've done this with the iPad already, but have not shown any indication that they will do so. I suspect Apple don't want you to use your phone as a laptop replacement, they want you to buy one of their laptops.

Also: how would you cool it? The passively cooled M1 MacBook Air throttles after 15 minutes of high CPU usage. So, perhaps a phone would throttle after a couple of minutes?

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Post by ziml77 »

bakatubas wrote: post #358
oblio wrote: post #227

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I can't ever imagine why manufactures of > don't use dates. Product lines 1 - 10. Bigger is better. A minimal number of qualifiers next to the numbers, ideally just 1 of them next to a product line number (Pro/Home/Hobby/Enterprise/whatever). Date, month and year format if you really want flexibility. OblioCorp Oblio 1 Home 2020.06. Oblio 10 Enterprise 2021.04. How hard is that? Not that hard, from where I'm standing…

It makes sense for software release versions, but I think this lacks marketing prowess. Consider; “hey man check out my new M1 machine!” Versus: “hey man check out my M1 2021.04” Even with the Core series it’s short and sweet. “10th gen. Core i7” still sounds futuristic and always will. Ryzen 7 also. Honestly I think folks here are overthinking this stuff. It’s easy enough to compare the specs on a 10th gen cpu vs 8t…

Speaking of Ryzen, I see everyone attacking Intel for their naming especially now that the generation is 2 digits, but AMD's situation is a mess too. The Ryzen 7 5800x is built on Zen 3 architecture. I know the numbering scheme and still sometimes mix up the generation of processor with the generation of architecture.

Also, given that AMD copied Intel's 3/5/7/9 numbering, I'll be interested to see if in a few years they're selling a 10800x.

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Post by tjoff »

bakatubas wrote: post #358
oblio wrote: post #227

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I can't ever imagine why manufactures of > don't use dates. Product lines 1 - 10. Bigger is better. A minimal number of qualifiers next to the numbers, ideally just 1 of them next to a product line number (Pro/Home/Hobby/Enterprise/whatever). Date, month and year format if you really want flexibility. OblioCorp Oblio 1 Home 2020.06. Oblio 10 Enterprise 2021.04. How hard is that? Not that hard, from where I'm standing…

It makes sense for software release versions, but I think this lacks marketing prowess. Consider; “hey man check out my new M1 machine!” Versus: “hey man check out my M1 2021.04” Even with the Core series it’s short and sweet. “10th gen. Core i7” still sounds futuristic and always will. Ryzen 7 also. Honestly I think folks here are overthinking this stuff. It’s easy enough to compare the specs on a 10th gen cpu vs 8t…

> Versus: “hey man check out my M1 2021.04”

Noone would ever say it like that. They would simply say: “hey man check out my new M1 machine!” And if it happened to come at a generation shift the context would make it obvious if it was the old generation at a bargain or the brand new generation. (or that the person saying it couldn't care less about specs and generations)

Now if you would buy a used computer, or would like to compare your current i7 to the latest i7 - then you would take notice. How much difference is there between a i5 2021.04 vs. i7 2016.8 ?

That is dead simple to google and reason about.

Compare that to: So what computer do you have? Oh, it is an i7 with 16 GB of RAM. I have no idea what decade that machine is from. And noone remembers the specific version, and if they do I have no idea how to parse it anyway.

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Post by darknavi »

gambiting wrote: post #354
dmos62 wrote: post #284

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> I'm a C++ programer and my workstation has 128GB of ram and I wouldn't accept any less What on earth are you programming?

AAA video games do that for you :P Well, it isn't the programming part that uses the ram(although yes, building our codebase takes about 40 minutes and uses gigabytes of ram without using distributed build), but just starting up local server + client + editor easily uses 80-100GB of ram since ALL of the assets are loaded in.

When VS decides to disk bomb you or uses literally 120GB of ram because its auto scaling trips up.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Post by qaq »

arvinsim wrote: post #237
gambiting wrote: post #203

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So my sister does professional photography, and went from a 16GB MacBook Pro(2016) to an 8GB Air, and reports no decrease of productivity - quite the opposite, in her experience all Adobe programs run much faster, and the machine is quieter and lighter to boot. So yeah, I'm not sure - maybe the ram amount isn't as a big deal as people make it out to be. On the other hand I'm a C++ programer and my workstation has 128…

Web Developer here. Wouldn't accept anything less than 32GB for a work machine.

Working on very enterprisy web app 100+ servics 30+ containers my MBP 16GB is handling it fine
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