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Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Make it as fabulous as much as you want, $1700 for an 8 core, 8 gigs of ram machine is just one plain fabulous joke. This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

> This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

You'd be shocked looking at any telemetry data which says that the average ram is 8gb and average ram use is ~50% or so.

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One thing which I don't think has been commented on is the marketing effort behind the M1. It's getting a lot of prominence and its use across lots of computers means that there can be a consistent message that "M1 is great - get a new Mac and get an M1". It also provides an opportunity to distinguish between M1 and the next generation M2 (presumably). I've always thought Intel's marketing was a bit confused - i7 sta…

Yeah the marketing effort is immense, and it's really surprising to me how many eagerly lap up the angle Apple is pushing without much reflection, even on HN. Like the good old Apple hype days. Now to be fair, the M1 is an impressive iteration on the A* chip line. But the Ryzen 5000 mobile chips really don't look bad at all in comparison, and a 5nm version of those would level the field.

Which Ryzen laptop currently competes with the latest macbooks in terms of form factor, performance, battery life and build quality? I'm honestly asking, I've been thinking about getting a Linux laptop in a while and I would be curious to see what the playing field is like

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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So my sister does professional photography, and went from a 16GB MacBook Pro(2016) to an 8GB Air, and reports no decrease of productivity - quite the opposite, in her experience all Adobe programs run much faster, and the machine is quieter and lighter to boot. So yeah, I'm not sure - maybe the ram amount isn't as a big deal as people make it out to be. On the other hand I'm a C++ programer and my workstation has 128…

Web Developer here. Wouldn't accept anything less than 32GB for a work machine.

But have you benchmarked your workflow on x86+32GB vs M1+8GB?

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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One thing which I don't think has been commented on is the marketing effort behind the M1. It's getting a lot of prominence and its use across lots of computers means that there can be a consistent message that "M1 is great - get a new Mac and get an M1". It also provides an opportunity to distinguish between M1 and the next generation M2 (presumably). I've always thought Intel's marketing was a bit confused - i7 sta…

Yeah the marketing effort is immense, and it's really surprising to me how many eagerly lap up the angle Apple is pushing without much reflection, even on HN. Like the good old Apple hype days. Now to be fair, the M1 is an impressive iteration on the A* chip line. But the Ryzen 5000 mobile chips really don't look bad at all in comparison, and a 5nm version of those would level the field.

By the time there’s a 5nm version of Ryzen, there’ll be a 4nm M2.

AMD’s 5nm shift is scheduled for 2022

iPhone 13 (2021) rumors indicate a 4nm SoC

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

#295

The M1 processor is a direct result of the death of Moore's law. It's an amazing processor, but a sad sign of things to come. The performance gains from Moore's law have typically come from shrinking die size. That has ended, you can't juice more performance from general purpose CPUs. If general purpose processors no longer advance quickly enough, the only way to get performance gains is to build custom chips for com…

The death of moore's law made us wonder - there is so much effort trying to optimise hardware, but less emphasis on making software more efficient. Our view is that there is a lot to do with regard to software efficiency to mitigate the limitations in hardware progress... See the company we founded in my profile, this was one of the drivers to build it

Software optimization depends a lot on economical reasons. Which is why it is so hard to prioritize over new features IMO.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Yeah the marketing effort is immense, and it's really surprising to me how many eagerly lap up the angle Apple is pushing without much reflection, even on HN. Like the good old Apple hype days. Now to be fair, the M1 is an impressive iteration on the A* chip line. But the Ryzen 5000 mobile chips really don't look bad at all in comparison, and a 5nm version of those would level the field.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. A 5nm version of the AMD stuff should be reasonably close to the M1. The main bottleneck is the production capacity, we badly need more manufacturers of high end chipsets.

I think the issue with the comment is that it comes off as biased or distracting (regardless of the intent). The conversation is about Apple Silicon vs Intel, and then it veers off topic with discussion of Ryzen.

Also, saying that people are "lapping up" the Apple marketing suggests that it's more sizzle than steak. But it's completely undeniable that the A chips, and by extension, the M1 is a beast.

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> blazingly fast SSDs So like, 2 times as fast as any other SSD? No? The comment reads like marketing spiel.

2.5GiB random RW per sec [1]. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/16/apple-silicon-macbook-a...

BlackMagic tests video workloads using sequential reads/swrites. 2.2/2.7 GiB/s is pretty average for a modern NVMe SSD. Even consumer-level Samsung NVMe SSDs are faster.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

#298

Make it as fabulous as much as you want, $1700 for an 8 core, 8 gigs of ram machine is just one plain fabulous joke. This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

On the other hand “16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram” is something to cry about. Programmers working on products with a billion users should realize that every kilobyte they save decreases world-wide memory usage by a terabyte.

It's also not true. I don't know if I'm the only person not doing fluid simulations all day on my laptop, but I don't understand where this idea comes from

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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While the M1 is great now, I'm very hopeful in what's to come. If Apple can maintain even a bit of their current improvements year over year, in 2-3 years it just won't make sense to use anything else; see this graph to know what I mean: https://miro.medium.com/max/1356/1*_aVjpbyBkMq-KIY8kbbP_w.pn... Even if Intel can catch up somehow, it'll take years to catch up to this, and by then it'd be too late. The only reaso…

> The only reason why Apple will not win is that they bundle software and hardware too strongly. That is the major reason M1 is having such a momentum. I was pretty skeptical that niche x86 FORTRAN R extensions would work on M1. But here we are, Rosetta made it the smoothest ride possible. Now look at Microsoft and their Surface Pro X.

Yes, it's great to grab a big chunk of the market, but it'll limit then to grab the whole market IMHO.

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

#300

Make it as fabulous as much as you want, $1700 for an 8 core, 8 gigs of ram machine is just one plain fabulous joke. This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

I just went from a 32GB RAM Macbook Pro to an 8GB RAM M1 Macbook Air...the difference is insane, I don't know what the hell the MB Pro is doing with its RAM, but it just felt like RAM was never enough on Intel Macbooks. Here on the M1, I don't feel my system crawling to a halt like I did on the MB Pro, and I'm doing the same workloads.
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