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Why Lichess will always be free

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Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#201
> So why are there ads on websites? There is only one purpose they serve: to make money.

If there are things that could make Lichess way better but require resource they don't have, they should weight the pros and cons.

The cost is a worst user experience. The benefit is money.

For a non-profit, money is a mean and not an end. Resource will be used to achieve a purpose. Maybe in some cases the benefit can outweigth the cost.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "accurate"? Compared to chess.com? FIDE? USCF? It really makes no sense comparing ratings between different pools. None of them are more accurate, they are just different.

'accurate' is definitely the wrong term. I just meant I wished Lichess ratings translated more accurately to FIDE ratings.

It's not really feasible though:

* Online chess typically uses Glicko ratings (this applies to Lichess and chess.com alike), FIDE ratings are based on Elo

* Online ratings are typically blitz ratings - people tend to play fast games online. Obviously FIDE has blitz ratings too, but over the board chess is mostly standard time control, and that's what's typically referred to as a FIDE rating. A lot of people with standard FIDE rating don't even have a blitz one, because OTB blitz tournaments are arguably rare.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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post #137

So many comments failing to grasp the idea of someone wanting his job/passion to be publicly available at the cost of him not getting rich. So sad.

What else did you expect on a ~~hacker's~~ founder's site? Make a billion and retire before hitting 20, that's the goal.

I'm not sure when "hacker" became a synonym for "ruthless capitalist" but it's sad to see, honestly.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#205

There's a cost breakdown, but no information I found on how much income the site brings in... Curious.

Actually, on the lichess forum two years ago one of the volunteers stated that costs ~= revenue. So I'm guessing that the main developer salary is mostly the "excess".

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

#206

This was not the best of examples - 'Imagine if scientists kept the result of every scientific study to themselves.'. Given that most science is funded ultimately by taxpayers either directly or via money borrowed on their behalf by governments, this would be an indefensible position aside from demonstrating an ignorance of how science progresses.

Being funded by tax payers doesn't prevent most research from being published behind a steep paywal at no benefit for the researchers...

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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post #147
post #61

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Ads are an attack on our attention. When I go to a website, I decide to direct my attention to this website, because I believe it will offer something of interest to me. Obviously things don't come for free, somebody has to pay for it, but the issue is that as a user, I didn't agree to getting my attention diverted. The trade isn't done upfront and by the time I see the ad, it's already too late. There is also a coll…

Those few good years after pop up ads were eliminated by pop up blockers and ad blockers was so nice. Then the war on ad block began and internet is worse then it used to be. Auto play videos in a modal that can't be closed that start with a video on. Wtf

Popups and ads can still be blocked very effectively. Since I downloaded a comprehensive hosts file blacklist and filled all checkboxes in uBlock Origin's settings it's extremely rare something slips through, and if it does I can just interactively add a rule for it with a few clicks.

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ads are an attack on our attention. That may well be true, but let me tell you a story. I recently got into binge watching some old TV shows I enjoyed as a kid, like What's My Line and a few others. But most of the YouTube copies have the commercials stripped out! The few videos that have the old commercials are a blast. The Remington Rand Univac Electronic Brain. The Remington Rand Shaver! And as we all know, 9 ou…

Sorry but those commercials have no cultural significance. It's just stuff you remember.

What exactly is cultural significance?

Re: Why Lichess will always be free

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those few good years after pop up ads were eliminated by pop up blockers and ad blockers was so nice. Then the war on ad block began and internet is worse then it used to be. Auto play videos in a modal that can't be closed that start with a video on. Wtf

It's pretty much mandatory to have (yet another) addon to disable autoplaying videos, sadly. I think I hate this more than ads, honestly (not all autoplaying videos are ads).

Firefox lets you do this without need for an addon. Stop using an ad company's browser if you don't want to see ads; there is a huge conflict of interest.
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