Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years • Hacker News Board

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by anigbrowl » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

irjustin wrote: post #276

mrb wrote: post #106

His ship has been sitting still for so long that you can see it on Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D8%B3%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%86%D... Edit: a few more story details here: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/ever-giv... When he rows to shore to get supplies he can only stay for two hours at most as the area is a restricted military zone. Other crew members were repatriated in September 2019,…

Man these details are important. The BBC article makes it feel like he was alone for 4 years and somehow was able to stay alive with no food/water for 3 of them before the ship drifted closer to shore where he could now 'buy food and water'.

The BBC is sadly only a semi-reliable source and has rather low journalistic standards.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by ntr-- » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

cmeacham98 wrote: post #255

gwright wrote: post #185

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This seems like pretty important information if correct. A huge portion of the HN discussion is moot if the Mr. Aisha chose to remain. Seems like he could have continued his fight for the outstanding wages elsewhere.

I totally disagree. Based on sibling comments it seems like some people think this would have legally screwed up his claim to the lost wages, and even if not, giving up your only leverage in this situation is probably not the optimal strategy. I can see a parallel world where he decided to get off the boat and we're reading an article about how he lost all that time and won't be able to recover wages, and some HN com…

What "leverage"?

I suspect there is more to the story, but if the GP entry is to be believed how is wasting away by yourself in a tin can trying to recoup wages from an insolvent company for 2 years a more "optimal strategy" than going home to your family and getting on another boat?

Extricate yourself from the system, do not vindicate yourself from within it.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by jrnichols » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #137

Ancapistani wrote: post #124

Is there something that could be done by people otherwise uninvolved - like myself, or my fellow HN readers - to help the other ~250 people who are currently stuck in similar situations? I don’t even know how to go about enumerating who those people are, their ships, or where they are anchored. With that information a well-organized and/or funded group could at least get someone out to these people to check on them,…

From reading the article, they just for some legal reason need a person on board the ship. So maybe people could volunteer to replace them on a rolling schedule.

could be a great airbnb

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by robotbikes » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:07 AM UTC

zoshi wrote: post #279

labster wrote: post #267

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The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money, and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources.

Ships, planets, space, etc. are scarce and owned by various actors. The Federation is an interplanetary government made of sovereign member states, many of which do trade and use money. Even without the use of trade, there must be systems for determining who controls what.

This discussion makes me wish that I had borrowed the book Trekonomics from my friend when he offered to loan it to me. - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekonomics

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by peteretep » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:09 AM UTC

Klinky wrote: post #280

peteretep wrote: post #269

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I have pissed in a bottle before out of expediency, but I've never spent several years stranded on a ship without power, company, etc, out of free will. Conflating the two seems weird.

Do you piss in a bottle on a daily basis as part of your job? Comparing peeing in a bottle [a few times in your life] for expediency compared to doing it on the daily, seems to be its own conflation.

If my current workplace offered me a 15% raise in exchange for forgoing toilet breaks and pissing in a bottle for the next year, I would go for it.

I'm sure there's a number for which I'd agree to be stranded on a boat off the coast of Egypt without power, but I suspect it's closer to 15x my salary.

As I understand it, this makes the latter 100x worse than the former.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by silly-silly » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

chiph wrote: post #219

busterarm wrote: post #183

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Sounds interesting. Got a link?

It happens fairly frequently. The owner runs into financial difficulty and the creditors seize the ship. The crew can't leave because they aren't allowed to abandon it, as well as not having a visa to enter the US to get to the airport, nor the money for airfare home. The locals usually donate food & supplies to the crew. https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/story/how-a-charleston-p...

I'm slightly confused, if the owner can't afford to deal with the costs, they obviously dont have the financial ability to penalize the individual NOT to abandon ship.

That level of cognitive disconnect surely can't be held up as valid in any legal system that has greater cognitive ability to do 'connect the dots drawings'.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by edoceo » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

labster wrote: post #267

andromeduck wrote: post #245

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Name me a country where logistics orgs never run out of money or resources.

The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money, and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources.

replicators tho. makes a huge difference.

we're headed away from UFP and more towards DOOP.

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Post by glenmorangie_14 » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:29 AM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #263

aidenn0 wrote: post #200

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The wealthy exploiting the poor predates capitalism by 10s of thousands of years.

> The wealthy exploiting the poor predates capitalism by 10s of thousands of years. I feel like in order to make this claim, you'd need a pretty detailed definition of what "capitalism" is.

You should check out the book "Debt: The first 5000 years" by Graeber. It covers this topic in depth.

My summary won't do it justice, but basically our society has a myth that society has always been capitalistic, but there is some evidence that is not true. It's a pretty interesting take on some fundamental economic thoughts and theories, because the author is an anthropologist.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by imagineerschool » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM UTC

labster wrote: post #267

andromeduck wrote: post #245

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Name me a country where logistics orgs never run out of money or resources.

The United Federation of Planets doesn’t even use money, and it’s post-scarcity so they don’t run out of resources.

They run out of resources all the time and it drives many plots!

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by emmelaich » Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM UTC

kevmo wrote: post #135

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

Nasty labour practices... It's just slavery. This poor gentleman was forced into slavery. You're right that this is what we're outsourcing. All of the corporate trade agreements - American manufacturing was shipped overseas, and American labor forced to compete with what is often a modern form of slave labor.

If you call indentured servitude slavery, you're not helping - it just lessens the dynamic range of language.

It sure doesn't help actual slaves.