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On Being an Outsider

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Re: On Being an Outsider

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Live in this world, but be not of this world. If you feel like a foreigner in this world, then that is a good sign. This is not ultimately your true home.

You mean it was a mistake for our distant ancestors to grow feet and walk the earth and that we should return to the deep from whence we came?

Re: On Being an Outsider

#12
I never felt at home anywhere and I never felt to be part of a group.

Somehow people around me always think the opposite. They're telling me I'm their best friend or at least that they value my attendance.

Overall, I'm okay with this. When I have to move or leave a group, I usually don't miss what I've left. I have the impression my life gets better when it changes.

But sometimes I think if my life would be better if I was more invested in belonging.

Re: On Being an Outsider

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post #12

I never felt at home anywhere and I never felt to be part of a group. Somehow people around me always think the opposite. They're telling me I'm their best friend or at least that they value my attendance. Overall, I'm okay with this. When I have to move or leave a group, I usually don't miss what I've left. I have the impression my life gets better when it changes. But sometimes I think if my life would be better if…

I’ve got a similar feeling. I’ve been friends with many people from different from different social categories but I’ve never felt I belonged to any particular group or place. At the time, somehow, I feel like a citizen belinging everywhere as I find joy in authenticity and have no trouble finding it in the most deserted or dilapidated places. Did you also feel like a wanderer? I think this is directly related to our personalities and no matter what you run into you’ll never get the feeling you you belong.

Re: On Being an Outsider

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Live in this world, but be not of this world. If you feel like a foreigner in this world, then that is a good sign. This is not ultimately your true home.

You mean it was a mistake for our distant ancestors to grow feet and walk the earth and that we should return to the deep from whence we came?

No, parent poster is evidently a dualist and believes our true home is spiritual and not material.

Re: On Being an Outsider

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I think your experience as an outsider is really going to depend on how you socialize, how much you do it, with whom, and other specific aspects of your situation. Such as which specific businesses you frequent. Some specific people will treat you more warmly than others. Some neighborhoods or neighbors will have more culture in common and with yours. That's the experience that I've had living in a few different part…

> I think your experience as an outsider is really going to depend on how you socialize ... I'd disagree. Sometimes it's about who you are, not about what you do. In some societies you can blend in easily (like San Francisco), in some -- there's no chance, no matter what you do.

True that some societies are much more open or blending in is easier.

Still think most of the other things I said apply if you include all of the context rather than just what you quoted.

Re: On Being an Outsider

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean it was a mistake for our distant ancestors to grow feet and walk the earth and that we should return to the deep from whence we came?

No, parent poster is evidently a dualist and believes our true home is spiritual and not material.

Yes well I was evidently taking the piss out of him

Re: On Being an Outsider

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I see people get integrated into society through children. You live in Berlin, you need to send your children to school, talk to the teachers, other parents. You drop your children off to the house parties, you talk about your profession in front of your child's class. German language becomes a clear necessity.

People also say joining some club helps. I did kickboxing for year, there isn't much talking as it turns out... Anyway, I was really homesick the whole time, I still am. In Russia, we don't celebrate Christmas that much, the New Year is a major holiday. That time of the year is the hardest: no familiar festive music, the street decorations are off.

I kind of accepted all that, since I decided to pursue professional and scientific opportunity instead of comfort. I still wonder if I make the right choices from time to time. I think it's natural to do that though.

Re: On Being an Outsider

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I have always loved Japan. I visited once, and made plans to move there. I lived in the heart of Tokyo for three years. I made a lot of friends, but being a white American, I came to grasps that I would always be a Gaijin, and that I would never fit in, no mater how well I spoke Japanese or adopted to their customs. I left Japan to focus on my future somewhere back in America. 10 years later I booked a three week tri…

Similar story, I had a friend who was born in Korea, came to the USA as a child, and was deported back to Korea at age forty. He felt like an outsider there, and four years later, committed suicide after a bout with depression.

That sounds horrible, normally the courts show leniency in these cases as deporting someone that old is basically a death sentence.

Was he not able to hire a lawyer?

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