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Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by sigmaprimus »

Semaphor wrote: post #8
1cvmask wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny that they are downvoting you for stating the obvious no-brainer explanation. Just curious as I am seeing more of this on HN lately or is it just the Baader Meinhof phenomenon after I read someone else complain about the recent downvoting phenomenon for stating the obvious. Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

> Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat? My personal impression is, that it got a lot worse since Covid, which I attribute to more people doing home office and/or having more free time. Any discussion forum that grows gets worse. But both my impressions and the 2nd part might be wrong.

Since You qualified your own statement as being possibly being wrong, I would argue that more engagement alone doesn't result in more down votes.

I have observed that any comments criticizing anyone, regardless of wether they are justified or not seem to be recieved poorly on modern forums.

I believe this is due to an ongoing effort to make forums safe spaces, somehow honest critical thinking is no longer accepted in the current environment. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

So if You are really concerned with the fake points You are accumulating then just tow the line, get with the woke SJW movement or submit articles of interest to balance out the backlash from the mob....I probably better start looking for a good article :P

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by sigmaprimus »

1cvmask wrote: post #19
Semaphor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat? My personal impression is, that it got a lot worse since Covid, which I attribute to more people doing home office and/or having more free time. Any discussion forum that grows gets worse. But both my impressions and the 2nd part might be wrong.

I think you nailed it with Covid. Critical thinking requires discourse, and discourse on all the possibilities beyond the dominant narratives or paradigms. Downvoting does not make reality or the “ugly” truth go away. We should be here to discuss and not be afraid to ruffle feathers and have easily offended sensibilities.

Beat me to it!

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by afavour »

fooqux wrote: post #9
luckylion wrote: post #4

Is it just me or has it become more common for journalists to write about decreases by saying "X-fold" or "x times"? I always get confused, I find it much easier to say "by 97%".

Many people don't have a clue what "30-fold" even means, and therefore it sounds big and scary. Basically, it's just one of the tools in the sensationalist headlines toolbox.

…is that true? I understand “30-fold” to mean “30x” and I’m pretty sure I have from a very young age. I haven’t checked but I’d be surprised if my peers weren’t the same.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by [deleted] »

sandworm101 wrote: post #12
Invictus0 wrote: post #2

Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

Politics. Political capital. There are international advantages to having the US president endorse you, your project and your company. Those photos were probably worth the hassle.

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Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by bildung »

1cvmask wrote: post #5
pen2l wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a nutshell, it mistook the nature of labor folks are used to here and its costs. Indeed wildly different from China and elsewhere.

It’s funny that they are downvoting you for stating the obvious no-brainer explanation. Just curious as I am seeing more of this on HN lately or is it just the Baader Meinhof phenomenon after I read someone else complain about the recent downvoting phenomenon for stating the obvious. Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

Is it really a no-brainer that a giant transnational company signed a multi-billion dollar deal without anyone investing half a day looking into the situation of the labor market of the target region?

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by KingOfCoders »

neartheplain wrote: post #7

The massive downward revision of this deal, and of Foxconn's commitment to create jobs in Wisconsin, is hardly a surprise. Foxconn has a history of reneging on promises to build factories, as was widely reported when this deal was first made in 2017: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/foxconns-history-of-broken... https://boingboing.net/2017/08/09/potemkin-factories.html https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2017/08/20/op-ed-the…

It helped Trump, mission accomplished.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by notRobot »

luckylion wrote: post #4

Is it just me or has it become more common for journalists to write about decreases by saying "X-fold" or "x times"? I always get confused, I find it much easier to say "by 97%".

This phrasing always confuses me, slashes 30 fold means that it is now 1/30th the ordinal?

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by notRobot »

luckylion wrote: post #4

Is it just me or has it become more common for journalists to write about decreases by saying "X-fold" or "x times"? I always get confused, I find it much easier to say "by 97%".

This phrasing always confuses me, slashes 30 fold means that it is now 1/30th the original?

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by DaedPsyker »

1cvmask wrote: post #5
pen2l wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a nutshell, it mistook the nature of labor folks are used to here and its costs. Indeed wildly different from China and elsewhere.

It’s funny that they are downvoting you for stating the obvious no-brainer explanation. Just curious as I am seeing more of this on HN lately or is it just the Baader Meinhof phenomenon after I read someone else complain about the recent downvoting phenomenon for stating the obvious. Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

You say stating the obvious and yet it simply isn't. It was a heavily subsidised political stunt that Foxconn could half-ass. They rolled out the red carpet, exempted them from environmental regulations and basically built the infrastructure for them. Even four years ago they said the number of jobs was a wish not a promise, they were BS artists.

They weren't some naive tiny company.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Post by 1cvmask »

sigmaprimus wrote: post #21
Semaphor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat? My personal impression is, that it got a lot worse since Covid, which I attribute to more people doing home office and/or having more free time. Any discussion forum that grows gets worse. But both my impressions and the 2nd part might be wrong.

Since You qualified your own statement as being possibly being wrong, I would argue that more engagement alone doesn't result in more down votes. I have observed that any comments criticizing anyone, regardless of wether they are justified or not seem to be recieved poorly on modern forums. I believe this is due to an ongoing effort to make forums safe spaces, somehow honest critical thinking is no longer accepted in…

And the downvotes on your comments begin....
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