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Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

Good article on the subject: https://www.theverge.com/21507966/foxconn-empty-factories-wi...

My take it was probably mainly a political stunt, lcd was never really possible (slump + wages + supply issues) and then they didn't know what to do.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

Politics. Political capital. There are international advantages to having the US president endorse you, your project and your company. Those photos were probably worth the hassle.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

In a nutshell, it mistook the nature of labor folks are used to here and its costs. Indeed wildly different from China and elsewhere.

This is a take that's wildly generous to FoxConn, painting them as the "aww schucks" kinda honest guys that just didn't know about the challenges of the US labor market.

The alternate take is that the whole deal was made in bad faith and FoxConn was hoping to collect subsidies and line its pockets. This version of events has some precedent[1]. It's especially hard to believe that FoxConn didn't know about US labor when this same situation played out in Pennsylvania in 2013[2].

[1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/foxconns-history-of-broken...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-foxconns...

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a nutshell, it mistook the nature of labor folks are used to here and its costs. Indeed wildly different from China and elsewhere.

This is a take that's wildly generous to FoxConn, painting them as the "aww schucks" kinda honest guys that just didn't know about the challenges of the US labor market. The alternate take is that the whole deal was made in bad faith and FoxConn was hoping to collect subsidies and line its pockets. This version of events has some precedent[1]. It's especially hard to believe that FoxConn didn't know about US labor wh…

You're 100% spot on. I cannot be convinced a multi-national mega-corp is ignorant of US labor and the challenges in the US labor market. There just is no way that's possible for a company this size, or am I wrong?

So that leaves either bad faith, or they are just abjectly incompetent. I can't really see any other options. Or, again, am I way off base?

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a nutshell, it mistook the nature of labor folks are used to here and its costs. Indeed wildly different from China and elsewhere.

It’s funny that they are downvoting you for stating the obvious no-brainer explanation. Just curious as I am seeing more of this on HN lately or is it just the Baader Meinhof phenomenon after I read someone else complain about the recent downvoting phenomenon for stating the obvious. Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

I genuinely don't understand how 'international mega-corporation doesn't understand international labor differences' is a no-brainer. Please explain that to me. That seems like one of the first things that any company should evaluate.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

Scott Walker, the governor, who signed the deal lost his office a year after it was signed in part due to backlash over the deal.

Think about it from Foxconn's perspective, if you got a sweetheart deal and the person who gave it to you got canned for it, are you going to follow thru and put in billions of your dollars on the assumption that you'll still get billions of government subsidies in return?

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a take that's wildly generous to FoxConn, painting them as the "aww schucks" kinda honest guys that just didn't know about the challenges of the US labor market. The alternate take is that the whole deal was made in bad faith and FoxConn was hoping to collect subsidies and line its pockets. This version of events has some precedent[1]. It's especially hard to believe that FoxConn didn't know about US labor wh…

You're 100% spot on. I cannot be convinced a multi-national mega-corp is ignorant of US labor and the challenges in the US labor market. There just is no way that's possible for a company this size, or am I wrong? So that leaves either bad faith, or they are just abjectly incompetent. I can't really see any other options. Or, again, am I way off base?

> I cannot be convinced a multi-national mega-corp is ignorant of US labor and the challenges in the US labor market.

Especially one that is a specialist in harvesting laborers from all corners of the world. I can only imagine selecting the right labor force has to be their main competences.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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Is it just me or has it become more common for journalists to write about decreases by saying "X-fold" or "x times"? I always get confused, I find it much easier to say "by 97%".

I think for x > 1 "x-fold" is clearer. "Ten times bigger" sounds simpler to me than "1000% growth".

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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It’s funny that they are downvoting you for stating the obvious no-brainer explanation. Just curious as I am seeing more of this on HN lately or is it just the Baader Meinhof phenomenon after I read someone else complain about the recent downvoting phenomenon for stating the obvious. Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat?

> Has the readership changed of HN or more specifically the commentariat? My personal impression is, that it got a lot worse since Covid, which I attribute to more people doing home office and/or having more free time. Any discussion forum that grows gets worse. But both my impressions and the 2nd part might be wrong.

I think you nailed it with Covid. Critical thinking requires discourse, and discourse on all the possibilities beyond the dominant narratives or paradigms. Downvoting does not make reality or the “ugly” truth go away. We should be here to discuss and not be afraid to ruffle feathers and have easily offended sensibilities.

Re: Wisconsin has negotiated a dramatically scaled-back deal with Foxconn

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post #16

Can someone explain to me why Foxconn didn't build the plant? Why would they go through the trouble of negotiating this deal, which ended up phenomenally in their favor, just to throw their hands in the air and walk away?

Scott Walker, the governor, who signed the deal lost his office a year after it was signed in part due to backlash over the deal. Think about it from Foxconn's perspective, if you got a sweetheart deal and the person who gave it to you got canned for it, are you going to follow thru and put in billions of your dollars on the assumption that you'll still get billions of government subsidies in return?

I wonder if it might have been water. They may have needed more than a sweetheart deal with the state. I think a big reason for the location was the water supply via Lake Michigan. They got a waiver of state environmental laws as part of the deal, but they still had to contend with federal laws, and a treaty with Canada that governs water use in the Great Lakes watershed.

There was quite a controversy over the environmental impact of this plant. The "word on the street" is that LCD manufacturing is a dirty industry requiring a lot of water.

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