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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by FpUser » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #122

dfadsadsf wrote: post #119

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In 10 years after that war, Chinese military bases in Moscow, Minsk and Paris will ensure European co-prosperity sphere and harmonious development on the continent. Seriously - you want to risk hot war between Europe and Russia with millions in collateral losses because Lukashenko put a few dozen people in prison and single digit number of people died in protests? Do you also advocate machine gunning jaywalkers?

> Seriously - you want to risk hot war between Europe and Russia with millions in collateral losses because Lukashenko You have to understand, the risk of hot war between Europe, and Russia has nothing to do with Lukashenko, Yanokovac or any of those pissants. It's completely not important, what's important is a power crazed mafia guy sitting in Kremlin fortress, and starting West every day, and night. You can pretty…

It is just too bad they stopped giving Rabies shots preventively

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by avodonosov » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:08 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

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Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

By the west or not by the west, does not matter. Change of government by uprising is likely to end up in instability, civil war, etc.

But in the end, it is the ruler to blame, that he undermines his legitimacy (by running elections in a way that large part of the population does not trust it, etc), thus motivating people to protest and either win with large chances for instability or loose and get prison terms, etc.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sergeykish » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #146

levosmetalo wrote: post #74

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It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

> GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. I don’t know what to make of this comment; it’s certainly wrong by a wide margin. The entire country’s GDP cannot be less than I take home per paycheck. I thought maybe it was per-capita GDP, but the 2021 IMF estimate is $13k—almost 4x your figure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PP...

That's value of GDP (nominal) per capita, year 2019. 2021 estimate is $3,984 [1]. Not much, yes, but that's in post USSR country that's fighting eighth year Russia agression.

PPP is purchasing power parity.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(no...

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sergeykish » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

oldnews193 wrote: post #139

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>> Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU. > That's a pretty simplistic view of how international politics and geostrategy is played. So EU is sending soldiers to the eastern front of Ukraine to fight??? It's well known among Ukrainians who is doing the fighting over there. Ukraine democratically decides to prefer EU over Russia, maybe all parties need to live w…

> Ukraine democratically decides to prefer EU over Russia, maybe all parties need to live with that. Russia has been opposing the expansion of NATO for decades, and Ukrainian politicians at different moments were aiming to join NATO (rather than signing memorandums not to join NATO). I suppose, we Ukrainians can be upset at how unfair it is that our sovereignty is not respected, but that won't earn us any more agency…

You are free to relocate to occupied territories.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by cbnotfromthere » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:49 PM UTC

worik wrote: post #208

maratc wrote: post #26

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This is irrelevant to my point, which is: If you have a 2,500-strong manufacturing plant, the government can come and take over your plant. If you have a 2,500-strong bank, the government can come and take over your bank. If you have a 2,500-strong property-holding company, the government can come and take over your company and your properties. But if you have a 2,500-strong software development center, the governmen…

I disagree. They take over your software company, and put you in jail. Sure they do not get your IP, but you loose it. I will hazard a guess that the software development centres striving in Belarus are very careful to stay entirely out of politics. Belarus is not a democracy.

The comment you're replying to implies that the key persons of that company AND the legal entity are outside Belarus. Otherwise, as you clearly wrote, they would be at the mercy of whatever happens in / with Belarus.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by odshoifsdhfs » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

stablenode wrote: post #220

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Mine has 900 and this is my 3rd or 4th. I'm as western european as possible (literally living in the most western country in europe). My last 5 or so years, most of my social circle has been Ukranian, Belarussian and Russian people. My neighbour here in Portugal is Ukrainian and my family knows her for over 20 or so years. 95%+ of shit I hear about these countries is from US/Western europeans that know little more th…

@odshoifsdhfs: Well, I hate to quibble, but it's actually 'Belarusian' (just one 's', you see). I've lived in Western Europe (UK) nearly all my life and I'm afraid I disagree with you fundamentally: '95%' of the people in 'the West' are quite indifferent to the broader region of Eastern Europe, but never in my life have I encountered the kinds of chauvinistic attitudes even approaching those I encountered from Russia…

Sorry about the typo, mainly because in my language we do use the two 's' (Bielorussia) so sometimes my brain and typing have a mismatch.

As for 'chauvinistic' things, I can agree with you there, as well as having very anti LGBT and racist tones in their speeches (I had to 'teach' a Russian friend that calling people niggers out loud in a cafe isn't acceptable here).

But I can also say, a lot of Italians or Portuguese (and others as well) have similar thoughts, but they just know how to hide it enough (you have no idea how much faggot or nigger or the likes is used in normal conversation within family/friends conversations here, but just not spoken to third parties because they are afraid of judgement/consequences) while Russians tend to be more outspoken (mainly because it isn't seen such as taboo there to be anti-lbgt/black people)

But two things that are my personal opinion. A lot of this is mainly due to their internal culture, and when they are exposed to others (black people or gay people) they understand very well that what was ingrained there isn't the reality. And second, they have (at least the ones I know), changed 180 degrees in a very short time about those ideas and behaviours when their 'eyes get opened' compared to local western europeans that still blame the black from Africa for everything that is wrong in their country (or nowadays, gypsies))

I am not trying to defend russians or ukrainian people (which in the context of these posts they are probably on different sides of the debate), but that the ideas we (or most) have from that part of the world is quite wrong. Yes, you had russians that talked to you like that, and I know good friends that left Russia because they couldn't stand LBGT persecution and Putin's 'strong man' politics. There are always various faces to the same coin (I know!).

quick edit: Have you tried having those conversations with Polish or Latvian or Lithuanian folks? Those chauvinistic ideas are also present there in a large (might have changed now, but used to be) part of the population. You think in this scenario Russians are much worse or just you had more contact with Russians vs these and others Eastern European countries?

edit number two (sorry just remembering things ;): 10 or so years ago, a 55 year old man beat the living crap of his wife. When the judge presiding over the case gave his sentence, it was given 2 years suspended sentence, citing that as attenuating cirscunstances, the wife did in fact burned his dinner so it was understandable he was mad. You think this was in Russia or Portugal? Because it was Portugal. We also have a judge in the spotlight for saying that cheating invalidates any women's testimony as she can't be trusted and that the bible allows for some punishments for 'stray' wives. (yes, from a working judge presiding over these cases)

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sergeykish » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:02 PM UTC

bumblingmumbler wrote: post #219

disabled wrote: post #172

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They have a good command of language in general, and especially when it comes to expression. In Slavic languages, there are often a lot of words that have the exact same meaning (compared to English or romance languages), but you have to learn individually how to use the right one to capture the moment best for your situation. Also, at least for the Slavic language that I speak (not a native speaker), it is clean, di…

There's morphological complexity and then there's semantic one. I grew up speaking one of Turkic and one of Slavic languages. Morphology-wise, both of those are massively more complicated as compared to English. But English is way more analytically powerful/flexible. It allows for constructions and frame of mind that are not quite possible in non-analytic languages. For even more dramatic example, consider math. The…

You may like "Politics and the English Language" (1946) by George Orwell

https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20180223/html.php

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sergeykish » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

levosmetalo wrote: post #38

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

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Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

You are so wrong about Ukraine. We live in a democratic country since 1991. Russian puppet used force to break down peaceful protests, this started escalation. He made attempt than to criminalize meetings [1], laws described as "draconian", "dictatorship", and was overthrown.

There were democratic elections next month. And another since than. Different parties, different leaders. There is no civil war here, that's proxy war by Russia and everyone knows it. Russian leaders, Russian mercenaries, Russian weapon, Russian money, sometimes even Russian army. That's openly stated by Russian mercenary leaders.

There is no reason for civil war. Everyone understands both Ukrainian and Russian. My native tongue is Russian, I live in Russian speaking city, and I am grateful to our army that protects us from Russian mercenaries. Occupied territories even by founders described as fascist states. Life is rough there. Population greatly decreased, a lot of refugees scattered around Ukraine, Russian speaking refugees, and everywhere they were welcomed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-protest_laws_in_Ukraine

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by cbnotfromthere » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

etc-hosts wrote: post #214

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A slur it is, but I have yet to see a more profound understanding of state of the country. A regime that masterfully plays hate, both from country's own century long social self-immolation, and its own spin. The crux of the issue is very much that Kremlin plays, and direct this bottomless reservoir of insecurity, and anger, but even without it, the country's tragic fate through whole modern history will keep moving i…

>I telling people again, and again that in 1999 it were people in their completely free will, and sane mind who decided to elect a KGB official as a president. Did you know the 1st George Bush used to run the US Central Intelligence Agency?

Are you suggesting there was any sort of equivalence between the KGB and the CIA?

Are you also suggesting there was any sort of equivalence between a low-level operative vs. a political appointee managing the national agency?

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Post by dang » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:39 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #204

dang wrote: post #190

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> all Russian society is living in a hateful state Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

A slur it is, but I have yet to see a more profound understanding of state of the country. A regime that masterfully plays hate, both from country's own century long social self-immolation, and its own spin. The crux of the issue is very much that Kremlin plays, and direct this bottomless reservoir of insecurity, and anger, but even without it, the country's tragic fate through whole modern history will keep moving i…

Doing more of what I asked you to stop is no recipe for staying unbanned.

I realize you have a lot of experience in that part of the world, and your substantive contributions are welcome here, but outright slurs are just so totally unacceptable that, no matter how much we value your substantive contributions, we are going to have to ban you if you keep it up. Stop it now please.