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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by vagrantJin »

disabled wrote: post #172
vagrantJin wrote: post #169

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This sounds like an excellent read. Will definitely get my hands on a copy. I don't know what it is about East European authors' ability to explore the human condition with exacting clarity. Anyway, thanks for sharing.

They have a good command of language in general, and especially when it comes to expression. In Slavic languages, there are often a lot of words that have the exact same meaning (compared to English or romance languages), but you have to learn individually how to use the right one to capture the moment best for your situation. Also, at least for the Slavic language that I speak (not a native speaker), it is clean, di…

Thanks for this detailed reply. The dots are starting to connect. Will definitely dig into this rabbit hole. But it does make me wonder whether the English translations are doing the work justice. Like watching a dubbed series misses a lot of depth because the words and their meaning don't map exactly from one language to another. All we get are close enough translations.

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Post by avodonosov »

Now I know what was our key startup hub.

So far no-one is arrested, they simply denied to lease the office space. Hopefully it will stop at that.

Probably other IT people who joined the "Coordination Council" will face consequences too.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by vagrantJin »

jacquesm wrote: post #183
vagrantJin wrote: post #169

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This sounds like an excellent read. Will definitely get my hands on a copy. I don't know what it is about East European authors' ability to explore the human condition with exacting clarity. Anyway, thanks for sharing.

> I don't know what it is about East European authors' ability to explore the human condition with exacting clarity. Most likely that they have lives that have a lot of stuff happening in them besides consumption and education.

Yeah. But there's just this ability to peer into and through people with such wonderful detail. What joy!

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

dang wrote: post #190
dandanua wrote: post #99

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Nah, their neural network is trained to produce some random sh*t that sound blamable and vicious. Didn't you heard the stories about crucified boy by Ukrainian army in Donbass? Russian state TV translate this kind of madness 24/7 for years now. The war is imminent, it's just a matter of time. It's impossible to dissipate that hate peacefully. Also, all Russian society is living in a hateful state, towards many things…

> all Russian society is living in a hateful state Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

A slur it is, but I have yet to see a more profound understanding of state of the country.

A regime that masterfully plays hate, both from country's own century long social self-immolation, and its own spin.

The crux of the issue is very much that Kremlin plays, and direct this bottomless reservoir of insecurity, and anger, but even without it, the country's tragic fate through whole modern history will keep moving it astray.

I telling people again, and again that in 1999 it were people in their completely free will, and sane mind who decided to elect a KGB official as a president.

For there to not to be Putin II, Putin III, Putin IV, etc, this country's deep anguish must be extinguished. How one does it, I don't know. Maybe there will need to be a self-harm reduction course of nation state scale.

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Post by odshoifsdhfs »

andonceagain wrote: post #154
stablenode wrote: post #124

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It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues of living in an authoritarian petrostate.

Well, to be fair, @caskstrength has had his account for 12 months already (karma: 150). Yours has only been created for 8 months (karma: 16).

Mine has 900 and this is my 3rd or 4th. I'm as western european as possible (literally living in the most western country in europe). My last 5 or so years, most of my social circle has been Ukranian, Belarussian and Russian people. My neighbour here in Portugal is Ukrainian and my family knows her for over 20 or so years.

95%+ of shit I hear about these countries is from US/Western europeans that know little more than what they learned in CoD and some Holliwood movies and making these ideological thoughts. They have good and bad things, good and bad people, but the view from '1st world countries' towards them is silly and it would be even funny if some of these countries and people weren't going through these difficulties

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Post by baybal2 »

adventured wrote: post #197
baybal2 wrote: post #108

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> But an actual war would obliterate both sides. No, it wouldn't. Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc. Russia 139M people with only 20M of military age, of which 1/3 fares from Caucasus, and other less than loyal ethnic republics. A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M at maximum even if Russia will only target large population centres. The retaliation busts Moscow —…

> Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc The US has a far larger economy than the EU, there is now roughly a $7 trillion gap there (IMF estimates for 2021 is the US economy at $22.6 trillion; the EU will be around $15 trillion). The US economy is almost 50% larger than the EU economy. China in 2021 will formally surpass the EU in nominal GDP size. It's fair to say it already has. IMF estimat…

Digits don't lie.

A lot has changed since just half a decade ago.

Unfavourable demographics.

What kind of world we are heading in? Just trying imagining it is infuriating.

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Post by trhway »

sudosysgen wrote: post #147
trhway wrote: post #13

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Because of the history in those places, new Belarus will immediately try to join EU and NATO. That is an option which Russia will try to prevent. As history shows there are some windows of opportunity for the things to go either way. It seems that the major escalation is coming in Donbass - Ukraine has beefed up the forces, and in particular brought in the Turkish drones which (being very successful against Russian m…

The important thing about drone warfare campaigns is that they are only successful if the enemy is unwilling to challenge your air supremacy over your own territory. This is the case in Ukraine right now and in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Russia is unwilling, right now, to challenge all of Ukrainian airspace, and Armenia/Russia was unwilling to challenge Azerbaijani airspace. The moment this change is when the dro…

You like many is missing Turkey in your picture. There is a lot of points to discuss. I'll just point that the Azerbaijan airspace in the war zone was patrolled by Turkish F-16s, so Armenia couldn't really fly anything there to attack the drones. Given Turkish interest in the Black Sea area happenings, their support for Georgia leading to 2008, direct support for Azerbaijan in 2020, kicking Russian butt in Syria and Libya in 2019/2020 (by using the same drones) and the Ukraine's course toward NATO and the Ukraine's open increasing military cooperation with Turkey who is the most willing and enthusiastic NATO member to kick Russian butt on Black Sea ... - basically i see an Azerbaijan style scenario coming to Donbass, only much more larger-scale and bloody given the amount of Russian forces there.

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Post by worik »

maratc wrote: post #26
anovikov wrote: post #21

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EPAM is an American company. It's clients are in the US, it's legal entity is in the U.S., and it makes profits in the U.S. And founder is an American citizen. Belarusian (as well as Ukrainian etc.) EPAM are just outsourcing for the head office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPAM_Systems so just 2500 out of 41K people are in Belarus (while it is from where it all started). it makes no sense for Lukashenka harassing E…

This is irrelevant to my point, which is: If you have a 2,500-strong manufacturing plant, the government can come and take over your plant. If you have a 2,500-strong bank, the government can come and take over your bank. If you have a 2,500-strong property-holding company, the government can come and take over your company and your properties. But if you have a 2,500-strong software development center, the governmen…

I disagree.

They take over your software company, and put you in jail.

Sure they do not get your IP, but you loose it.

I will hazard a guess that the software development centres striving in Belarus are very careful to stay entirely out of politics. Belarus is not a democracy.

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Post by worik »

HideousKojima wrote: post #175
ipaddr wrote: post #168

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History has proven west supported coups mostly work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in... From Costa Rica to South Korea to Japan to modern Iraq to Egypt in 1952 to Lebanon etc.. Iran didn't work out. Some of the central American operation didn't work out. Cuba didn't. But things are not static either. Things have a habit of working out given a longer timescale.

Libya didn't work out. And if the West had succeeded in Syria, the groups that would have taken control would have been much worse than Assad (though there's the ever so tiny chance that there could have been an independent Kurdistan, so that would have been a silver lining I guess?)

I do not think the point was that the successful Western backed coups produced a good, better, or desirable result.

Additionally I am not convinced that a independent Kurdistan would be a good idea.

I know Abdullah Öcalan has come under the influence of Murray Bookchin, and has had some very progressive ideas about how the politics of the Middle East should be structured. But in the event of the establishment of Kurdistan there is no good reason to believe it would be any less of a dictatorship than Iran, Turkey, or Dog help us, Syria.

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