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US owners find greed doesn't play well in European soccer

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Post by loonster »

ksec wrote: post #196
NoOneNew wrote: post #126

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I think that's why the golden era of Man Utd (last 15ish years with Fergie at the helm) wasn't that good for American fans. Yea, it brought in some (me)... but after a while, I found myself not caring about seeing a game if it wasn't against Chelsea or Liverpool. Even then... After 2 years of that... whoopie... Man Utd got another win against, oh look an ant is struggling to carry a cookie crumb. That and diving. Ser…

May be it is just me, but my memory of old football in the 90 /00s wasn't like that at all. No Match was too easy, No Team were unbeatable. Despite the old Analog TV, No 4K, No HDR, No 60fps, No Super Complex Codec, but the intensity was there. Something was transmitted from the field to audience in front of the tele. You can feel Roy Keane is about to punch somebody in the face if they dont make one more step or don…

I miss the old days where everything was transmitted from 1 camera in the nosebleed section. Switching the camera all the time is fatiguing.

With how much increase in bandwidth we have now days, they should just broadcast all of their different camera views. Sports bars would be much more interesting if you could look at different screens for different views.

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Post by megameter »

NoOneNew wrote: post #188
ldrndll wrote: post #172

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As someone who grew up watching rugby and only got into football as an adult, I couldn't believe the amount of disrespect players show to officials. I think I spent the first two years constantly saying "in rugby this guy would have been sent off by now" on repeat...

I only discovered rugby a few years ago. I was completely floored. Players apologizing? Players being the first ones to admit making a mistake? Players making sure opposing hurt players are okay? What in the fuck am I watching? Who made it okay for mature, respectable adults to play a televised sport? Why haven't they been fired yet? Dont they know what planet this is?

When the players are respectful that's when you know it's a combat sport.

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Post by bmsleight_ »

NoOneNew wrote: post #162
cjrp wrote: post #151

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> Rugby and hockey have that shit figured out, why cant they? Something else they could learn from rugby, respect for the officials. The number of times you see football players chasing after or arguing with the referee is just embarrassing. Rugby officials don't stand for it, neither should football officials.

Absolutely. What's the joke regarding the two sports? Football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligan's sport played by gentlemen. Something like that. Either way, the level of respect players have for one another and refs is awesome since it really is a violent/dangerous game. There are a few exceptions, but it's fun when refs say, "This isnt soccer, you cant get away with that here." Fo…

Football is a sport played by Gentlemen watched by hooligans. Rugby is a sport played hooligans, watched by Gentlemen.

Although the rugby hooligans are very respectful to the referee. Mic-up the referee in football.

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Post by Larrikin »

vidoc wrote: post #171
rossitter wrote: post #169

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There's no watch to kill in baseball. You have to get the other team out a set number of times.

Correct, but the use of stoppage is a little bit similar to the use of timeouts in other sports, in my humble opinion. Another dishonorable gameplay of baseball that makes me hate it (my apologies for not remembering how this is called): this move batters often do to just amortize the ball so the field players can snag an extra base!

What makes bunting dishonorable? If anything it's the opposite, the player sacrifices themselves to move a teammate.

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Post by bmsleight_ »

iso1631 wrote: post #177
rkangel wrote: post #106

This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

> If you support one of those top five or six clubs - good for you. If you don't, then you don't have a realistic chance of seeing a league win in your lifetime. And yet right now two of the top 6 teams are not the "6 big clubs" - Leicester and West Ham. Liverpool, who walked the season last year, are doing about as well as Everton. Man City, who are currently top, lost just 2 weeks ago against Leeds - at home. I'm s…

>Wimbledon in the 3rd tier. "Only took nine years" to get back in to the league. Getting promotion on ** merit. Not buying a place.

Then eventually beating the Franchise and watching them get relegated. Sweet sweet justice.

Now with a fans funded new stadium.

Football is beautiful. Even on a wet cold night in stoke.

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Post by bmsleight_ »

borroka wrote: post #117
gmtx725 wrote: post #70

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It's not completely an illusion. You had for example Leicester winning the league only five years ago.

It happens once every 30 years and it is one of those improbable events that somewhat, someway happen, and after the event we get back to normal real quick (top teams aka those with more money in the Premier League winning, Milan, Juve, Inter in Italy, and Real or Barca in Spain, and of course Bayern in Germany). Then, there are some minor (in terms of fans, history) teams that get to the top echelon of their respect…

>How can true fans support Chelsea when the money from Abramovich change the dimension,

Man City were getting 30,000 fans attending in the third tier. Sunderland gets 30,000 fans attending in the third tier.

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Post by bmsleight_ »

wwtrv wrote: post #75
mrob wrote: post #38

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The promotion and relegation system goes all the way down to amateur level. This chart is outdated but captures the complexity: http://thepyramid.info/asp/pyramid3.asp A big part of the appeal of local football is the knowledge that your team could theoretically get promoted all the way to the top. A closed league goes against this sense of fairness.

But the only way that could realistically happen is if a large corporation or a wealthy individual bought the local club and replaced all of it’s players with significantly more expensive ones and I don’t see what’s particularly appealing about that. The closed American leagues are actually much fairer at least to the teams that are in them, TV money is split more evenly, there are caps on how much money can be spent…

AFC Wimbledon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Wimbledon

Combined Counties League divison 2 -> Two below premiership. Who beat a the team now 4th in premiership (West Ham) two season ago.

No wealthy individual replacing all the players, just fans.

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Post by wreath »

NoOneNew wrote: post #126
rkangel wrote: post #106

This article presents a simplistic "UK football good, American football bad" viewpoint, but there some aspects to how the NFL is run that are desirable. Primarily here I'm talking about negative feedback. In the Premier League (as well as Formula 1, for example) there is positive feedback that keeps the top teams at the top. Being successful means that you make more money (whether directly through prize money, or ind…

I think that's why the golden era of Man Utd (last 15ish years with Fergie at the helm) wasn't that good for American fans. Yea, it brought in some (me)... but after a while, I found myself not caring about seeing a game if it wasn't against Chelsea or Liverpool. Even then... After 2 years of that... whoopie... Man Utd got another win against, oh look an ant is struggling to carry a cookie crumb. That and diving. Ser…

I grew up watching soccer and then stopped cold turkey until last world cup. I just couldnt stand watching this crap anymore because of all the diving and time wasting etc.

I started watching NFL this past season and i found a lot more interesting than today’s soccer. Great display of athleticism, discipline to follow plays, and the dance moves!

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Post by evgen »

NoOneNew wrote: post #166
slg wrote: post #159

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>They cant figure out how to deal with diving and playing for time I always find these complaints strange coming from American fans. "Playing for time" is hugely important and mainstream strategy in the NFL. Coaches will be criticized if they don't run the ball enough when they have the lead in the 4th quarter. Meanwhile flopping is hugely common in the NBA. You can just search Youtube for "LeBron flops"[1] for plent…

To be fair, American Football is a game based around playing for time. What's interesting, college games are a bit more faster paced, mostly because those kids have something to prove so they can get into the NFL draft. Either way, I dont like American football without friends, snacks and booze. Baseball on TV, I feel the same, in it for the party. Theyre slow sports in reality. Though, in person, at the stadium, bas…

> I dont watch basketball at all.

Strangely enough, this sport has had a similar problem with playing for time that afflicts football/soccer. It used to be a horrible problem that almost destroyed the sport until the invention of the shot clock. I think it may have gone a bit too far in the other direction, to the point where you can ignore everything but the last five minutes of most games, but football/soccer could really use something like a shot clock to force offensive action.

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Post by martin8412 »

solidasparagus wrote: post #102
kasey_junk wrote: post #28

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But the NFL distributes all TV money equally to all teams as well even though no one in Malaysia wants to watch Tampa Bay. Further most of that money goes to the players not the club owners. How do you square that with your thesis?

There's only 32 NFL teams and even when the crappy ones play internationally, they draw huge crowds. And that's because it's a closed circuit so the level of play of the worst teams is much higher than the worst teams in European football. The NFL as a league is also designed to have a much higher degree of parity than European football. There are also fewer games, which increases the importance of each game. These r…

Of course 32 teams will be better than the literally 10 thousands of teams in European, which all have a chance of playing at the highest level, albeit not a huge chance for most of them. My local football team is part of same pyramid as CL, despite them only playing for fun. Small local teams have risen through the ranks to the best national leagues.
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