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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by batter »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #86
caskstrength wrote: post #69

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> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

Software development market in Ukraine is flourishing because its completely decoupled from local economy with most people working in outsourcing companies. Hardly definition of success. Country is in the middle of frozen civil war. GDP per person in Ukraine is still below 2013 and is half of GDP per person in Belarus. Change in government need to come from within - not imposed by outsiders. Very few cases when revol…

"Country is in the middle of frozen civil war." This alone can tell a lot about storyteller. Nice try :)

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by chupasaurus »

andonceagain wrote: post #153
caskstrength wrote: post #88

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> It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. For me it is "here". The fact that for you it is "there" makes me think that you should talk more to actual people that are living in the countries you mentioned in previous post instead of lecturing them over internet with copy/paste of Russian propaganda "news" pieces. Besides, it might be a novel concept for you, but here we have an actu…

I envy your tenacity fighting against ill-intentioned HNers. I was born in one of those countries mentioned by @levosmetalo above and the common running joke was too "People in internet say revolution is sponsored by CIA, but I'm still waiting for my paycheck!" and that was coming from people that were _truly_ putting themselves out there. Anyway, I don't care (sadly) for having an identity on HN anymore, several tim…

The joke is very alive in Russia.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by jacquesm »

vagrantJin wrote: post #169
disabled wrote: post #167

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A banned book in Belarus, called "Paranoia", by Victor Martinovich, captures the situation that Belarusians are in. "In the summertime, in the Belarusian capital of Minsk, young couples rent boats. They float, seemingly aimlessly, with the current of the Svisloch River, until they find themselves under a bridge. Then they row against the current for as long as they can, hoping to find shelter from the sun and from pr…

This sounds like an excellent read. Will definitely get my hands on a copy. I don't know what it is about East European authors' ability to explore the human condition with exacting clarity. Anyway, thanks for sharing.

> I don't know what it is about East European authors' ability to explore the human condition with exacting clarity.

Most likely that they have lives that have a lot of stuff happening in them besides consumption and education.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by HideousKojima »

baybal2 wrote: post #108
pjc50 wrote: post #62

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Not while their nukes still work. We had all this discussion in the 1960s, and the underlying reality of that potential war has not changed. The "border area" has got a lot more chaotic - Vienna is definitely the West, and Minsk definitely not, but it's less clear how aligned everywhere in the middle is. But an actual war would obliterate both sides.

> But an actual war would obliterate both sides. No, it wouldn't. Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc. Russia 139M people with only 20M of military age, of which 1/3 fares from Caucasus, and other less than loyal ethnic republics. A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M at maximum even if Russia will only target large population centres. The retaliation busts Moscow —…

Europe would be almost wholly dependent on the US for defense against Russia. Just 3 or 4 years ago Germany had something like only ~10 fully operational fighter jets and literally ZERO operational submarines. The situation has improved slightly since then, but the military of most NATO members is puny. France and Britain are probably the only European nations that would provide any significant military force.

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Post by chupasaurus »

bobthechef wrote: post #125
koonsolo wrote: post #83

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Ukraine is a big country. When you look at the part close to Russia, yes, that is a warzone. When you look at places like Lviv... warzone??? Yeah right, you can just travel there buddy. Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU.

> Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU. That's a pretty simplistic view of how international politics and geostrategy is played. ATO expansion is undesirable to Russia and counter to agreements made between Russia and NATO. Russia has also been testing Western responses to its salami incursions beginning with Abkhazia and now Ukraine. The most it has gotten so…

> longer term this tactic may not succeed as Russia keeps chewing away

As for last decade, Russia keeps chewing away itself since the real income declines each and every year while capital runs away.

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Post by ipaddr »

HideousKojima wrote: post #175
ipaddr wrote: post #168

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History has proven west supported coups mostly work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in... From Costa Rica to South Korea to Japan to modern Iraq to Egypt in 1952 to Lebanon etc.. Iran didn't work out. Some of the central American operation didn't work out. Cuba didn't. But things are not static either. Things have a habit of working out given a longer timescale.

Libya didn't work out. And if the West had succeeded in Syria, the groups that would have taken control would have been much worse than Assad (though there's the ever so tiny chance that there could have been an independent Kurdistan, so that would have been a silver lining I guess?)

Look at the list I provided. There are dozens and dozens of successful cases and a handful of failed ones.

The failed ones are recent which means the outcome has the potential to change in time.

Would an 80% success rate over the last hundred years change your perspective?

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Post by wnoise »

Jkae80_ wrote: post #90
esperent wrote: post #43

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> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?

Just because you have never heard it, does not mean it does not exist. Look at how the article is written and you understand it takes sides.

The form of this argument is "you can ignore the argument they make because they're biased, and you can tell they're biased by the argument they make." That's clearly not a valid inference.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by gritzko »

See it this way. Those corrupt "regimes" are simply making the money. Similarly, toppling those regimes is a highly profitable activity. There is an often cited claim: when Yanukovich was toppled in Ukraine, >$30bn disappeared overnight. The new "Western aligned" government did not even produce a coherent version of those events in 7 years. The most credible thing they say: he moved it out to Russia, in cash, on trucks. Probably, they are satisfied with the outcome? And that is just one episode of the ongoing saga. Always keep this perspective in mind. (To me personally, it really helps to ignore clownish geopolitical speculations.)

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by dang »

dandanua wrote: post #46
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.

Please stop posting nationalistic flamewar to Hacker News. It's not what this site is for, regardless of which country you have a problem with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by dang »

dandanua wrote: post #99
ohashi wrote: post #59

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From his bot master probably

Nah, their neural network is trained to produce some random sh*t that sound blamable and vicious. Didn't you heard the stories about crucified boy by Ukrainian army in Donbass? Russian state TV translate this kind of madness 24/7 for years now. The war is imminent, it's just a matter of time. It's impossible to dissipate that hate peacefully. Also, all Russian society is living in a hateful state, towards many things…

> all Russian society is living in a hateful state

Slurs like that will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with. No more of this on HN, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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