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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by belatw »

maratc wrote: post #10
anovikov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Successful Belarusian high-tech companies are not in Belarus (mostly in Cyprus, some in Lithuania or Poland - founders and their families and some key people simply emigrated from Belarus once they become successful). And Belarusian legal entities just outsource for them. This is why they are usually not raided: owners don't come over to Belarus much or at all anymore, IP is owned offshore, and what is the benefit of…

See EPAM with 2,500 employees in Belarus. Do you know of any other non-government entity with that amount of workers?

Epam has far few workers left in Belarus now. This past summer they temporarily expatriated a significant percentage of the company.

I manage about 40 engineers from EPAM. Before the troubles, 5 were in ukraine and one in Russia (but he was supposed to move to Minsk).

Now most of my team is working from Ukraine or Russia. A few choose to take on-site gigs in Netherlands and were replaced with more Belarussians in Ukraine. One of our team disappeared entirely, presumed to be in prison but our TAMs are downright cagey if we ever asked what happened to him.

EPAM is a good company, they saw the writing on the wall and hustles to get their people to safety.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by pjc50 »

baybal2 wrote: post #17

Shake that boat, provoke Kremlin, arm the populace, make Kremlin bleed, and go broke. The longer the Russia will be dragged into this war, the deeper Putinisms' grave will be, and the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

Not while their nukes still work. We had all this discussion in the 1960s, and the underlying reality of that potential war has not changed. The "border area" has got a lot more chaotic - Vienna is definitely the West, and Minsk definitely not, but it's less clear how aligned everywhere in the middle is. But an actual war would obliterate both sides.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by ramtatatam »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #50
ramtatatam wrote: post #30

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I was very worried when I was reading about FSB entering NginX offices in Russia. I think your statement might be a bit too optimistic..

And they got nothing out of it.

To be honest - I don't know. I was thinking - can FSB, as a result, inject some back-doors to NginX? I don't audit every line of code of software I use, and I don't know if situation like this would be easily spotted...

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by lampe3 »

anovikov wrote: post #3

I really don't understand what are these protesters trying to achieve. I like Belarus and spent years there. Hard to guess why would anyone want to shake the boat and risk the country getting annexed by Russia.

Thats russian/lukaschenko propaganda...

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by pjc50 »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

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Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Yugoslavia was not destroyed by the West, it was destroyed by Serbian nationalism and a set of ancient racial and religious hatreds.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baq »

baybal2 wrote: post #45
baq wrote: post #40

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you really think having a civil war right around the corner, practically on the other side of the fence, is something any country wants to have? not to mention having an armed rebellion means putin's intervention is guaranteed and then belarus just becomes another federal district.

> you really think having a civil war right around the corner, practically on the other side of the fence, is something any country wants to have? If you don't want a civil war on the other side of the fence, go and win it. With current discord in the Belorussian armed forces, double digit desertion rate, broken command chain, even the smallest NATO armies can easily plough though them. Your bigger problem will be th…

i'm sure all Belarusans would love to have two foreign armies marching through their homeland, both with words of liberation on their standards.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by arthur_sav »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31
Jkae80 wrote: post #23

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Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

I don't know, ask all the Arab Spring countries. In the history of regime changes by the West and by West i mean US, it has never really worked out. In fact, it always destabilises the countries.

Not supporting the current regime, just saying history has proven West supported coups don't work.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

pjc50 wrote: post #54
baybal2 wrote: post #37

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> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

Turning Belarus into Yugoslavia is not going to improve the situation. > Warsaw being the one initiating this with Belarus opposition. ?

> Turning Belarus into Yugoslavia is not going to improve the situation.

It will.

It's only because of massive amount of guns pointed at Belgrade, and the previous civil war, you don't have Slobodan Milosevic still smiling on you from TV now.

Arming Bosnians did more to crack the genocidal regime than any NATO bombing. This is the fact.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by caskstrength »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

> - Ukraine - ...

> All those countries were devastated by the "democratization".

I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by scrollaway »

alehander42 wrote: post #24
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

I really hope people realize that indeed both USA and Russia mostly follow their own interests and don't see this as a black/white thing: you see the russian sentiment and downvote it, but don't see how equally biased the US one is. And sadly HN and Reddit are usually political echo chambers for geopolitics

I think a lot of people realize it, but at the end of the day, the US' own interests more often align with Europe's than Russian self interest does.

So it's more beneficial to let the US be selfish than Russia.

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