Live data from Hacker News

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

newsweek.com

251–260 of 276 posts

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#251
post #248
post #104

You should watch the video of her accepting the award. She talks about censoring people for violating the terms of service and the four responsibilities, one of which is to their advertisers. All this in an acceptance speech for freedom of speech. Talk about digging your own hole.

You would have to return to definition for 'freedom of speech'. There is a good chance that somebody may have very different concept of what it means. Someone can consider banning hateful speech as activity towards 'more' freedom of speech. I do not subscribe to this, but be aware that a lot of people are not willing to admit they are against freedom of speech, so they redefine the term.

Further. It is "Free Expression Award". So there is even no gymanstics required in definitions. "Free expression" is something that anybody can define any way as there is no contesting an idea that is not commonly recognized.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#252
post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fun hypothetical, but how smart do you think the average Q anon believer is? Reality isn’t as nice on the ears as the fantasy of a poet is.

For sure, the world is much more complicated and the inability to read between the lines and not taking everything at face value certainly isn't limited to "educated people". But there is a lot of truth to this quote nonetheless. For what it's worth, all of those wacky theories about Q-anon or even flat earth don't beat the fact that people somehow managed to subvert and obscure the fundamental truth about nature tha…

I've never heard anyone claim that biological sex is irrelevant or not a valid concept. (I'm sure some people do, just as some people believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya. But I don't see any sign that it's a widespread belief.)

But in many contexts biological sex is irrelevant. There's room to debate exactly what contexts -- e.g., in professional sports that are segregated by sex so that women can have competitions in which they aren't obliterated by men who are just stronger, you might want to keep people with Y chromosomes out of the women's events, or maybe you should do that by measuring testosterone levels or something. But by and large, if you aren't (1) providing medical care to someone or (2) having sex with them, you get better outcomes for everyone by paying attention to how they prefer to live than to their chromosomes when those diverge.

"But people are getting cancelled just for saying that biological sex is real!" Eh, no. But to whatever degree anything like that is happening, a key part of the reason is that it turns out that people who make a big deal about how biological sex is real almost always actually have a bigger agenda that goes way beyond affirming that biological sex is real. If e.g. you want to keep trans women out of women's public bathrooms, or make sure gender-dysphoric teenagers aren't put on puberty blockers, or not have to call someone "he" if they look more like a "she" to you -- none of those things follow from "biological sex is real".

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#253
post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nobel peace prize was not for anything he did, it was the committee raising a large middle finger at the former Bush regime.

Bush started wars in two countries, Obama started wars in another five. The fact they didn't rescind the prize is disgusting, and shows you what a joke the committee is, as well as the award itself. What's most disgusting is that it was a political ploy based on the fact that President Obama was America's first black president. There's no other logical conclusion that any thinking person could arrive at, because at t…

As I said - it was a rebuke of Bush. The United States was at a very low point in world public opinion, thanks to his efforts at the time.

None of this excuses the imperial adventures that followed. Libya's still in a civil war, by the way. (Although to be fair to Obama, Europe was chomping at the bit to go to war with it.)

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#254
post #252
post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure, the world is much more complicated and the inability to read between the lines and not taking everything at face value certainly isn't limited to "educated people". But there is a lot of truth to this quote nonetheless. For what it's worth, all of those wacky theories about Q-anon or even flat earth don't beat the fact that people somehow managed to subvert and obscure the fundamental truth about nature tha…

I've never heard anyone claim that biological sex is irrelevant or not a valid concept. (I'm sure some people do, just as some people believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya. But I don't see any sign that it's a widespread belief.) But in many contexts biological sex is irrelevant. There's room to debate exactly what contexts -- e.g., in professional sports that are segregated by sex so that women can have competition…

Is CNN enough?

https://archive.md/wWaat#selection-1333.275-1347.126

> The orders also reference "biological sex," a disputed term that refers to the sex as listed on students' original birth certificates.

> It's not possible to know a person's gender identity at birth, and there is no consensus criteria for assigning sex at birth.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#255
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A childhood friend committed suicide, I found out, then the next day or so my science-curated youtube feed suddenly showed me a totally out of context video in the top spot with content that mocked my friend's life. It appeared as though google/youtube algos used the data point about my friend's suicide to perform a psychological experiment on me. At the least, this was amoral, but appeared malicious to me. I fail to…

sorry for your loss. i totally see where your comment is coming from but i do not believe that youtube deliberately ran an experiment on you. youtube, along with most social media, doesn't know how to handle the dead. it always pains me to see videos of dead youtubers show up in my feed. i highly doubt that the "monetization" money goes to the families. and i can't bring myself to unsubscribe to their channels either…

thanks. may i ask for a source or are you speculating?

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My youtube feed had been purposely curated to two science topics for weeks prior. How does the suicide of a friend factor into an "interests" algo that all of a sudden overrides my customizations? I was not doing any searches etc for suicide at that point but I did learn of the suicide via SMS from someone who uses an Android phone. (likely infiltration point for google to initially gather the data point User.Friends…

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and that you've had some bad experiences with recommendation systems recently, whether it be on YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook. I also had a similar experience after a friend was killed in a home burglary, and my news feed started pushing all the latest updates on the case as well as similarly tragic news stories. For a long time, these recommendations were a painful and unwanted r…

thanks for the detailed response

i wasnt searching for anything related to my friend's suicide. i was in shock

based on my description, its clear as day to me that google's algo absolutely did parse the fact that my friend had died from suicide and did show me content that was intended to align with his tragic life. it wasn't friendly or empathetic content; it mocked him and gaslighted me.

This isnt something I am letting go. I will take this to the tucking grave and put it along with all of my other observations if I have to, on my socmed memorial. all my childhood genius classmates will catch up to my memorial eventually and will have questions.

Google employee, can you help me out by looking into this?

No response is likely to be forthcoming -- they will never admit if it was some intentional malice, so they rely on the speculation of outsiders adhering to rational conclusion of incompetence over malice observations of entropy.

Google, I am assuming you engaged in a malicious psychological experiment on me using the data point of the news about suicide of a childhood friend to cybergaslight me. Until someone from google opens their data and algos and logs to prove otherwise, I am assuming based on my experience that you engage in premeditated malice on US citizens with their personal data

google and friends have too much data, too much power, and too little accountability. simply put, if they fail to help me to understand this, then they will be empowered to engage in any degree of malicious psychological experiments on unsuspecting US citizens with total impunity.

gaslighting me about tragic incidents or personal family:

Suicide (google), death of a parent while homeless (ok hes listening now..), threaten my nephew (clearance job), public utils nalo gaslighting (duff) -- google i'll give you a chance to look into this and get back to me. You fucked with my life and did nothing at all for me, are worth trillion(s). take some responsibility and help me out. please.

this isnt the appropriate venue for me to disclose my encounters with tech billionaires or celebrities and the associated threats I received, and i dont want to weave together speculative narratives between disjointed parties. google, please do the right thing and help me out here.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and that you've had some bad experiences with recommendation systems recently, whether it be on YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook. I also had a similar experience after a friend was killed in a home burglary, and my news feed started pushing all the latest updates on the case as well as similarly tragic news stories. For a long time, these recommendations were a painful and unwanted r…

thanks for the detailed response i wasnt searching for anything related to my friend's suicide. i was in shock based on my description, its clear as day to me that google's algo absolutely did parse the fact that my friend had died from suicide and did show me content that was intended to align with his tragic life. it wasn't friendly or empathetic content; it mocked him and gaslighted me. This isnt something I am le…

I am hopefully going to finally commit suicide shortly. After the incident where google gaslighted me about the suicide of a childhood friend (and the nalo public utils duff incident later that month), I gave away my million dollar retirement and went homeless in preparation for suicide. I am hoping to be dead by end of this month finally. My life has been totally dismantled (and my rep is destroyed anyway), precisely so I could investigate and disclose this form of malice that I've experienced for decades.

I'll put all of my documented experiences on my memorial. I've been tracking this issue of malicious creepiness with american web properties for decades. This incident with google is hardly the first.

I am 99.999% sure google engaged in intentional malice here. I'd rather fucking DIE than exist on a scumbag ape planet where a trillion dollar corp has disinterested/neutral outsiders supporting their scumbag cybergaslighting garbage, because who would believe @googleai would possibly engage in a malicious psyop on an American citizen. Nissy

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and that you've had some bad experiences with recommendation systems recently, whether it be on YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook. I also had a similar experience after a friend was killed in a home burglary, and my news feed started pushing all the latest updates on the case as well as similarly tragic news stories. For a long time, these recommendations were a painful and unwanted r…

thanks for the detailed response i wasnt searching for anything related to my friend's suicide. i was in shock based on my description, its clear as day to me that google's algo absolutely did parse the fact that my friend had died from suicide and did show me content that was intended to align with his tragic life. it wasn't friendly or empathetic content; it mocked him and gaslighted me. This isnt something I am le…

another note:

I make the claim that google engaged in a malicious psyop, and its on me to prove it.

yet, only google has the logs to prove/disprove the claim.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#259
post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The name "Freedom Forum Institute" itself sounds suspiciously doublespeak-ish, and makes me think it's actually a pro-censorship organisation.

https://www.freedomforum.org/about/council-of-advisors/ CNN, Fox News, Charles Koch Institute, Comcast, a bunch of VC firms, and Susan Wojcicki's _own mother_. A vulgar display of power.

Disgusting that these types of organizations are allowed tax exempt status.

Re: YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki Gets 'Freedom Expression' Award Sponsored by YouTube

#260
post #254
post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard anyone claim that biological sex is irrelevant or not a valid concept. (I'm sure some people do, just as some people believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya. But I don't see any sign that it's a widespread belief.) But in many contexts biological sex is irrelevant. There's room to debate exactly what contexts -- e.g., in professional sports that are segregated by sex so that women can have competition…

Is CNN enough? https://archive.md/wWaat#selection-1333.275-1347.126 > The orders also reference "biological sex," a disputed term that refers to the sex as listed on students' original birth certificates. > It's not possible to know a person's gender identity at birth, and there is no consensus criteria for assigning sex at birth.

I think there's an ambiguity here. Let's give names to some more specific things.

Proposition A: "Chromosomes, genitals, and sex hormones are real things. For the large majority of people, each of these falls into one of two fairly well separated classes, and they agree with one another. In some contexts -- e.g., providing someone with medical care, or having sex with them, or predicting how much weight they will be able to lift if they train hard -- these things provide useful information."

Proposition B: "The term 'biological sex' has a clear and universally agreed-on meaning, and refers to something that is useful in some contexts, as in Proposition A."

Proposition C: "The term 'biological sex' has a clear and universally agreed-on meaning, and refers to something that is useful in some contexts, and is the only thing we should care about when deciding whether to refer to someone as a man or a woman, or choosing what pronouns to use for them, or deciding what contests they can enter, what bathrooms they can use, etc."

Proposition A is uncontroversially true, and (I claim) essentially no one disagrees with it.

Proposition B is fairly uncontroversially false, because in fact there isn't a universally-agreed way to decide someone's "biological sex" in complicated cases such as when they have complete androgen insensitivity. But for many purposes it's approximately true.

The bit of Proposition C that goes beyond Proposition B is highly controversial.

I originally took your statements about "biological sex" to be expressing Proposition A. The author of the CNN article is denying Proposition B.

Perhaps you always meant Proposition B (or even Proposition C), in which case I retract my statement that no one disagrees with that, but instead point out the bit of Proposition B that's controversial is not expressing a "fundamental truth" about reproduction but a highly disputable claim about language, and that the further bits of Proposition C that are controversial are again not expressing "fundamental truths" about reproduction but controversial and essentially political claims about how we should relate to people for whom "biological sex" and "gender identity" don't tell a single simple coherent story.

Post reply on HN