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What censorship you are talking about people? Russia sponsored trolls enjoy full freedom of expression on this platform even to bully,make fake accounts, threat, insult and delete comments that trying to argue with their lies and deliver the truth. If they disturb to russian aggressive propaganda machine and not overwhelmed by it then those comments are disappearing without any explanation/notification. If that is no…

Is there any hard evidence for this bogeyman that gets regularly used as apologia? Or is this Pizzagate for folks on the left of the political spectrum?

One of the troll farms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

You can see russian bots at action here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec5oiJJqflQ&lc=UgwOALXptmHuS...

I can spot them easily. Can you? (hint: they send predefined messages in diff. forms)

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#152

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I wonder if there is a correlation between being super good and having a disdain for awards or not.

Do you have a disdain for awards?

It’s the only attribute Feynman and I share ;)

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#153
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“Why you fool, it's the educated reader who CAN be gulled. All our difficulty comes with the others. When did you meet a workman who believes the papers? He takes it for granted that they're all propaganda and skips the leading articles. He buys his paper for the football results and the little paragraphs about girls falling out of windows and corpses found in Mayfair flats. He is our problem. We have to recondition…

A fun hypothetical, but how smart do you think the average Q anon believer is? Reality isn’t as nice on the ears as the fantasy of a poet is.

For sure, the world is much more complicated and the inability to read between the lines and not taking everything at face value certainly isn't limited to "educated people". But there is a lot of truth to this quote nonetheless. For what it's worth, all of those wacky theories about Q-anon or even flat earth don't beat the fact that people somehow managed to subvert and obscure the fundamental truth about nature that's shared between every living being, reproduction, and made educated people believe that biological sex is simply irrelevant or not even a valid concept. Covid's another thing, I get that there are wacky theories about that too, but there are many pretentious, insufferable people who are acting like they're better than everyone else, because they blindly believe any propaganda about it that's pushed by the "official sources".

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#154

Let this be a lesson to all: intelligence does not in any way correlate with self awareness. It's likely that 'smart' people are just as likely to be unaware of their own follies or inabilities, I would argue, maybe more so as a lot of smart people tend to be 'inwardly focused' and less concerned about their direct environment. This kind of thing happens all the time among Exec. level, but normally we'd expect it fro…

It also indicates to me that the leadership at Alphabet is totally out to lunch. I would have thought they had the sense to stop this but apparently not.

You mean the leadership that put Google cofounder Sergey Brin's sister-in-law in charge of Youtube?

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#156

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The simple answer is no algorithm is that smart. It's just picking up your "interests" and trying to tailor that. AFAIK people do try to tune recommender systems to avoid this but it's an inscrutable problem to solve with today's state-of-the-art.

My youtube feed had been purposely curated to two science topics for weeks prior. How does the suicide of a friend factor into an "interests" algo that all of a sudden overrides my customizations? I was not doing any searches etc for suicide at that point but I did learn of the suicide via SMS from someone who uses an Android phone. (likely infiltration point for google to initially gather the data point User.Friends…

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and that you've had some bad experiences with recommendation systems recently, whether it be on YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook.

I also had a similar experience after a friend was killed in a home burglary, and my news feed started pushing all the latest updates on the case as well as similarly tragic news stories. For a long time, these recommendations were a painful and unwanted reminder of my friend's murder. Even worse was that the algorithm was definitely trying to push increasingly extreme and fear-mongering content about home invasions, all to try to get my clicks, and perhaps unintentionally radicalize me in the process.

As for why this type of thing happens, I think this part from your last point is pretty much right on the mark, "none of this requires any complex algos". All it takes is data of your browsing habits, the webpages you visit, the keywords you search, the webpages your friends and contacts visit, etc. There don't need to be any database fields explicitly encoding this information, which is why it's so worrying, such a system can push personalized traumatic content a global scale with precision, all from keywords and algorithms intended to maximize click revenue.

The other side of the equation is the content that gets recommended. I'm not sure who created the YouTube video that mocked your friend's death, but in my experience I was pushed content from typical local news outlets, then less reputable outrage content farms, and finally even more despicable sources, like white supremacist sites. That's something about this experience that really disturbed me. I've seen uncannily accurate product predictions before, but usually the 3rd party was relatively reasonable. I hadn't really ever been recommended radicalizing propaganda before, not to this degree. I've read articles about some of the operators of such sites, and they often don't even believe the content that they're pushing. They know that it triggers something in people who are vulnerable, and they exploit that for profit. That whole ecosystem just seems pure evil to me. At least the recommender systems work most of the time, usually just showing me stuff related to my hobbies, cute cats, etc.

Anyway, the combination of incomprehensible recommender systems and toxic content on the web is definitely not good for anyone's mental health. Hope you feel better in the future.

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post #153

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A fun hypothetical, but how smart do you think the average Q anon believer is? Reality isn’t as nice on the ears as the fantasy of a poet is.

For sure, the world is much more complicated and the inability to read between the lines and not taking everything at face value certainly isn't limited to "educated people". But there is a lot of truth to this quote nonetheless. For what it's worth, all of those wacky theories about Q-anon or even flat earth don't beat the fact that people somehow managed to subvert and obscure the fundamental truth about nature tha…

You’re sending me a lot of red flags, so I’m hesitant to engage, but I feel the need to point out that defending the rights of the individual is not motivated by some desire to defer to authority on how one should orient themselves sexually. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

The quote has no truth. It’s a fantasy used as anti-intellectual propaganda. Anyone can say a clever platitude.

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#158
I think you should take a little broader look, US is not the whole world. YouTube is the only channel where anti-government information is allowed in many countries, where government controls the mass media and censors the internet, but comes short of blocking Youtube, due to its popularity. Probably this is the reason why that prize has been awarded.

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#159

Let this be a lesson to all: intelligence does not in any way correlate with self awareness. It's likely that 'smart' people are just as likely to be unaware of their own follies or inabilities, I would argue, maybe more so as a lot of smart people tend to be 'inwardly focused' and less concerned about their direct environment. This kind of thing happens all the time among Exec. level, but normally we'd expect it fro…

Nowdays, if somebody wins an award, they are the exact opposite. We live is opposite world now.

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I wonder if there is a correlation between being super good and having a disdain for awards or not.

Do you have a disdain for awards?

Yes, I hate awards. In my own experience, awards have only inflated my ego, and has not led me to become more productive or passionate about the things I excel at.

It made me complacent and less likely to go above and beyond at work, possibly because I have the feeling that I've already "reached it", whatever that means.

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