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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by proxysna »

maratc wrote: post #10
anovikov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Successful Belarusian high-tech companies are not in Belarus (mostly in Cyprus, some in Lithuania or Poland - founders and their families and some key people simply emigrated from Belarus once they become successful). And Belarusian legal entities just outsource for them. This is why they are usually not raided: owners don't come over to Belarus much or at all anymore, IP is owned offshore, and what is the benefit of…

See EPAM with 2,500 employees in Belarus. Do you know of any other non-government entity with that amount of workers?

More like 8k+ when i worked there in 2017. Wiki page is outdated.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #119
baybal2 wrote: post #108

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> But an actual war would obliterate both sides. No, it wouldn't. Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc. Russia 139M people with only 20M of military age, of which 1/3 fares from Caucasus, and other less than loyal ethnic republics. A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M at maximum even if Russia will only target large population centres. The retaliation busts Moscow —…

In 10 years after that war, Chinese military bases in Moscow, Minsk and Paris will ensure European co-prosperity sphere and harmonious development on the continent. Seriously - you want to risk hot war between Europe and Russia with millions in collateral losses because Lukashenko put a few dozen people in prison and single digit number of people died in protests? Do you also advocate machine gunning jaywalkers?

> Seriously - you want to risk hot war between Europe and Russia with millions in collateral losses because Lukashenko

You have to understand, the risk of hot war between Europe, and Russia has nothing to do with Lukashenko, Yanokovac or any of those pissants. It's completely not important, what's important is a power crazed mafia guy sitting in Kremlin fortress, and starting West every day, and night.

You can pretty much erase anything standing in between Europe, and Russia on the map, and you will still have the same problem.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

pjc50 wrote: post #112
baybal2 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But an actual war would obliterate both sides. No, it wouldn't. Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc. Russia 139M people with only 20M of military age, of which 1/3 fares from Caucasus, and other less than loyal ethnic republics. A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M at maximum even if Russia will only target large population centres. The retaliation busts Moscow —…

> A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M I'm glad you agree with me on the obliteration.

40M-50M losses in the most pessimistic scenario is not an obliteration by any extent.

USA + EU = 1B people, and the strongest economic alliance in the world. The only one capable of taking a hit like that.

On other hand, it will be the enormous jolt to the entire Western world to open eyes on the festering mess they let happen on their watch.

It will unite, and solidify the Western alliance like nothing else can, and will bring one more century of Western world's global domination.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by stablenode »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #86
caskstrength wrote: post #69

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> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

Software development market in Ukraine is flourishing because its completely decoupled from local economy with most people working in outsourcing companies. Hardly definition of success. Country is in the middle of frozen civil war. GDP per person in Ukraine is still below 2013 and is half of GDP per person in Belarus. Change in government need to come from within - not imposed by outsiders. Very few cases when revol…

It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues of living in an authoritarian petrostate.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by bobthechef »

koonsolo wrote: post #83
levosmetalo wrote: post #74

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It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

Ukraine is a big country. When you look at the part close to Russia, yes, that is a warzone. When you look at places like Lviv... warzone??? Yeah right, you can just travel there buddy. Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU.

> Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU.

That's a pretty simplistic view of how international politics and geostrategy is played.

ATO expansion is undesirable to Russia and counter to agreements made between Russia and NATO. Russia has also been testing Western responses to its salami incursions beginning with Abkhazia and now Ukraine. The most it has gotten so far are sanctions (probably better than a full scale war at this point, but longer term this tactic may not succeed as Russia keeps chewing away). American meddling and financing of Euromaidan to topple Yanukovych and shake up Ukrainian politics is what opened the door to Russian pretexts to invade a country whose borders are not only an unstable Soviet construct (culturally speaking), but which plays an important territorial role in Russian security (control of Crimea allows control of the Sea of Azoz).

You can probably add NordStream II to the mix, but that's more about gaining the upper hand over Central Europe in cooperation with Germany, hence the farce of EU unity, and in this case, where energy security and its geopolitical consequences are concerned.

Thus the need for a Central European bloc that can withstand the grind of American/Western and Russian cultural and geopolitical tectonics. The Three Seas Initiative is ostensibly supposed to accomplish this, exploiting American backing, at least in the beginning. Belarus had historically been oriented toward this center of gravity until the 19th century. The Belarusian opposition certainly leans in the historical direction and the only other alternative is Russian vassalage. This Central European bloc incidentally would function like a buffer that would also serve the security interests of Europe in general.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by levosmetalo »

caskstrength wrote: post #88
levosmetalo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

> It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. For me it is "here". The fact that for you it is "there" makes me think that you should talk more to actual people that are living in the countries you mentioned in previous post instead of lecturing them over internet with copy/paste of Russian propaganda "news" pieces. Besides, it might be a novel concept for you, but here we have an actu…

> For me it is "here". The fact that for you it is "there"

Sure, and I know some people for whom it was also "here" and now it's "there" because they can't live any more in their hometown because of war. For you guys "here" in Kiev Donbas is also "there".

> Besides, it might be a novel concept for you, but here we have an actual elections. People can always vote for some Russian puppet (Medvedchuk, for example) and "join" Russia. I guess majority thinks that "fucking war" is better alternative in this situation.

And that's why Ukraine will never be a prosperous country, as long as you consider a "fucking war" a better alternative to anything.

The majority has been brainwashed by "western" propaganda to hate everything Russian, to the point it would rather have "fucking war" against their ex citizen in Donbas and Crimea instead of letting them choose where and how they want to live. Those guys in Donbas and Crimea also had elections and referendums, not worse than those in Ukraine, and they decided they don't want to live with someone who is denying them basic human rights based on the wrong ethnicity. Would you rather kill them all than let them go? And since you want to kill all the ethnic Russians why are you surprised that Russia won't let you do it?

NATO is happy to have war against Russia or Russian allies to the last Ukrainian solder and civilian.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by bobthechef »

pjc50 wrote: post #65
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

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List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Yugoslavia was not destroyed by the West, it was destroyed by Serbian nationalism and a set of ancient racial and religious hatreds.

What ancient racial hatreds? The Serbs, Croats, and Bosnians are practically the same ethnic group! The difference is religious!

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

arthur_sav wrote: post #67
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

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Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

I don't know, ask all the Arab Spring countries. In the history of regime changes by the West and by West i mean US, it has never really worked out. In fact, it always destabilises the countries. Not supporting the current regime, just saying history has proven West supported coups don't work.

> I don't know, ask all the Arab Spring countries.

> Not supporting the current regime, just saying history has proven West supported coups don't work.

I see you omit the fact that regimes felled by Arab Spring were all darlings of the West, with exceptions of Libya, and Syria.

It's true however that Western policy making in regards to the "our bastards'" is a tragicomedic history of failure, after failure.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

bobthechef wrote: post #125
koonsolo wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine is a big country. When you look at the part close to Russia, yes, that is a warzone. When you look at places like Lviv... warzone??? Yeah right, you can just travel there buddy. Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU.

> Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU. That's a pretty simplistic view of how international politics and geostrategy is played. ATO expansion is undesirable to Russia and counter to agreements made between Russia and NATO. Russia has also been testing Western responses to its salami incursions beginning with Abkhazia and now Ukraine. The most it has gotten so…

> That's a pretty simplistic view of how international politics and geostrategy is played.

I see how profound is your sophisticated understanding of high art of geopolitics...

> counter to agreements made between Russia and NATO.

Do you see Russia keeping to any agreement it had with NATO now?

What I see is politicians of NATO member countries running around Putin like headless chicken, trying to decipher some "tough geopolitical riddle," while the later laughs, and keeps sending them his KGB agents.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by publicola1990 »

jholman wrote: post #89
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Japan? South Korea? Just brainstorming, here.

Also Taiwan.
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