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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by varispeed »

iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by vincnetas »

levosmetalo wrote: post #74
caskstrength wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

And i'm pretty sure that Donbas (separatist region) is receiving weapons not from the west. So in Ukrainian scenario i'm nor sure who has destabilised that region. By the way if you look at Ukrainian GDP over time it shows growth over past years.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by koonsolo »

levosmetalo wrote: post #74
caskstrength wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

Ukraine is a big country. When you look at the part close to Russia, yes, that is a warzone. When you look at places like Lviv... warzone??? Yeah right, you can just travel there buddy.

Then you also get which country is doing the destabilization, and it sure as hell isn't the EU.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by La1n »

dandanua wrote: post #46
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.

>what US did to South Korea

You know South Korea was a dictatorship for many after the Korean War ended? The first dictator so loved by the US that they flew him to Hawaii to live out his life when people revolted against the regime. The second dictator got approval from the US.

Yes, North Korea is bad, but after having 85% of buildings and a larger proportional civillian death toll than Vietnam or WW2, I find it not strange they turned into a closed off dictatorship.

>Russian accusations of indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets did not register with the Americans at all. But for the North Koreans, living in fear of B-29 attacks for nearly three years, including the possibility of atomic bombs, the American air war left a deep and lasting impression. The DPRK government never forgot the lesson of North Korea's vulnerability to American air attack, and for half a century after the Armistice continued to strengthen anti-aircraft defenses, build underground installations, and eventually develop nuclear weapons to ensure that North Korea would not find itself in such a position again. ... The war against the United States, more than any other single factor, gave North Koreans a collective sense of anxiety and fear of outside threats that would continue long after the war's end.

https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K--Armstrong/3460/article.pdf

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

ramtatatam wrote: post #63
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they got nothing out of it.

To be honest - I don't know. I was thinking - can FSB, as a result, inject some back-doors to NginX? I don't audit every line of code of software I use, and I don't know if situation like this would be easily spotted...

Nginx is mostly open-source. If anything, NSA can inject backdoors as well.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by dfadsadsf »

caskstrength wrote: post #69
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

Software development market in Ukraine is flourishing because its completely decoupled from local economy with most people working in outsourcing companies. Hardly definition of success.

Country is in the middle of frozen civil war. GDP per person in Ukraine is still below 2013 and is half of GDP per person in Belarus.

Change in government need to come from within - not imposed by outsiders. Very few cases when revolution/regime change led to even ok outcome.

Besides problem with living in middle income soft authoritarian countries is mostly middle income and not authoritarian part. That’s the reason there is so much focus on corruption in protests - people just want more benefits/free money and assume that all money are stolen by corrupt government when in reality there is just not that much money in the country. Obviously regime change does not reduce corruption nor expand size of economy so all recent revolutions just made situation worse for common people.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by inglor_cz »

baybal2 wrote: post #56
iyn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about an action that an individual can take. Is it enough in the grand scale of things? No. Does it make a positive difference in a day-to-day life for people in Belarus? Yes it does (e.g. knowing where the local meeting is happening, where the thugs are etc.). Can you do more? Always.

Roughly speaking, $1m is enough to feed, and arm a force of a 1000 with small arms only for 1 to 2 months, with men under arms being responsible for their own livelihood beyond basics. That's a very small amount of time. And without a training, and heavy arms, none will be a good match even against Belarusian standing army. The challenge is to use up money in the shortest, and most impactful way possible. The longer…

Two can play this game. Look at Podnistria or Donbas.

Belarus split between a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 2.0 and a Totally-Not-Russian-Puppet-State, with several thousand young men's graves in between, isn't any better than Belarus today.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by caskstrength »

levosmetalo wrote: post #74
caskstrength wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Ukraine - ... > All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I'm not sure what you mean by "devastated". Software development jobs market is flourishing and my friends from other industries are not doing that bad either. Are you watching/reading Russian news sources by any chance?

It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

> It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed.

For me it is "here". The fact that for you it is "there" makes me think that you should talk more to actual people that are living in the countries you mentioned in previous post instead of lecturing them over internet with copy/paste of Russian propaganda "news" pieces.

Besides, it might be a novel concept for you, but here we have an actual elections. People can always vote for some Russian puppet (Medvedchuk, for example) and "join" Russia. I guess majority thinks that "fucking war" is better alternative in this situation.

> GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year.

Your point being? It is not like Ukraine was some rich local Eastern European Switzerland until sneaky CIA/Soros sponsored NGOs "destabilized" it.

> Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

Are you intentionally omitting my next sentence?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by jholman »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Japan? South Korea? Just brainstorming, here.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by Jkae80_ »

esperent wrote: post #43
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?

Just because you have never heard it, does not mean it does not exist. Look at how the article is written and you understand it takes sides.
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