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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:24 AM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #81

iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

What are the legal ramifications of running such proxy? For instance, if a group of people coordinate a criminal activity and it is proven that they used the proxy to communicate? Could owner of such proxy become liable?

depends on many factors, e.g. which country you live in whether there are extradition agreements with the foreign country, whether you are a native of the country you live in, whether there are exclusions of certain acts in your country etc.

Not "shitting where you eat" (never do something that is a crime in your own country) is basic opsec but the details are usually a lot more complex.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by La1n » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:24 AM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #93

baq wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm sure all Belarusans would love to have two foreign armies marching through their homeland, both with words of liberation on their standards.

this argument is akin to somebody just having kidnapped my family while despite me knowing where the kidnappers live being told I should not gun up but "come up with a peaceful plan" (perhaps hit the kidnappers with a leaflet campaign).

Except in this case it's not "your family". People here are arguing for foreign intervention. Not everything that happens in another country you don't agree with should be solved with violent foreign intervention...

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:27 AM UTC

ceilingcorner wrote: post #98

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a bad-faith argument, it should instead be: Do you really want to allow systematic killing of the opposition by current un-elected criminals holding on to power. Putin's intervention is not some kind of "hypothetical future danger or milestone in theoretic escalation" but has been fact since 1998. Europe isn't going to do anything except sending their thoughts and prayers and direct intervention by the US is u…

No, starting a civil war is exactly the wrong thing to do if you want to protect the civilian population.

that's pretty hyperbolic. it's not "starting a civil war" it's leveling the playing field against those who are already brutalizing the population.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by temptemptemp111 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:28 AM UTC

Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:28 AM UTC

ceilingcorner wrote: post #98

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a bad-faith argument, it should instead be: Do you really want to allow systematic killing of the opposition by current un-elected criminals holding on to power. Putin's intervention is not some kind of "hypothetical future danger or milestone in theoretic escalation" but has been fact since 1998. Europe isn't going to do anything except sending their thoughts and prayers and direct intervention by the US is u…

No, starting a civil war is exactly the wrong thing to do if you want to protect the civilian population.

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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:33 AM UTC

inglor_cz wrote: post #87

baybal2 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly speaking, $1m is enough to feed, and arm a force of a 1000 with small arms only for 1 to 2 months, with men under arms being responsible for their own livelihood beyond basics. That's a very small amount of time. And without a training, and heavy arms, none will be a good match even against Belarusian standing army. The challenge is to use up money in the shortest, and most impactful way possible. The longer…

Two can play this game. Look at Podnistria or Donbas. Belarus split between a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 2.0 and a Totally-Not-Russian-Puppet-State, with several thousand young men's graves in between, isn't any better than Belarus today.

One side will have the definite firepower advantage, enough to deal with other be it puppet, not puppet or whatever.

You choose what this side will be.

Russians have nothing in their coffers they can spare for a puppet project when there will be a battle hardened army a day away from Moscow.

It's the best way for NATO to put Russia on defensive. A solid wall of steel from Baltic to Azov to seal it shut from Europe.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by proxysna » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:35 AM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #81

iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

What are the legal ramifications of running such proxy? For instance, if a group of people coordinate a criminal activity and it is proven that they used the proxy to communicate? Could owner of such proxy become liable?

None, but if cops think that you are liable you will be persecuted. There were instances when having a contract with a lawyer would be interpreted as if you were intending to break the law [0]. So you can imagine how little evidence will be required.

[0] https://news.tut.by/society/700543.html

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:44 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #62

baybal2 wrote: post #17

Shake that boat, provoke Kremlin, arm the populace, make Kremlin bleed, and go broke. The longer the Russia will be dragged into this war, the deeper Putinisms' grave will be, and the less is the chance of Russia ever growing big enough to threaten Europe. I am totally for dragging Russia into a bloody war.

Not while their nukes still work. We had all this discussion in the 1960s, and the underlying reality of that potential war has not changed. The "border area" has got a lot more chaotic - Vienna is definitely the West, and Minsk definitely not, but it's less clear how aligned everywhere in the middle is. But an actual war would obliterate both sides.

> But an actual war would obliterate both sides.

No, it wouldn't. Europe 560M people, and the world's biggest economy as a EU bloc.

Russia 139M people with only 20M of military age, of which 1/3 fares from Caucasus, and other less than loyal ethnic republics.

A Russian first strike on NATO block will take down 40M-50M at maximum even if Russia will only target large population centres.

The retaliation busts Moscow — it's only economic, and industrial centre, and that will be it for Russia.

It will however not guaranteed to win the following conventional war, given Russian advantage in armour if it can strike first.

If Russian airforce, and AA will be gone before their armour, the overwhelming manpower advantage of Europe will then win the conventional war despite Russian armour advantage.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by buran77 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:47 AM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #93

baq wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm sure all Belarusans would love to have two foreign armies marching through their homeland, both with words of liberation on their standards.

this argument is akin to somebody just having kidnapped my family while despite me knowing where the kidnappers live being told I should not gun up but "come up with a peaceful plan" (perhaps hit the kidnappers with a leaflet campaign).

That's exactly what a hostage rescue should be like until there's no other option: negotiations, the peaceful plan.

So you know where the kidnappers live? You grab your shotgun to get them "Rambo style". Best case only the kidnappers get injured or killed. Worst case you and your family get killed.

It feels like too many people simply cannot go past the basic reaction "I find it may be a threat > shoot to kill". I find this a failure in education.

And while it may turn out at some point that for Belarus there was simply no other option, it still doesn't justify jumping straight to it. Just a bit of common sense can already tell you that the most likely outcome is that civilians will get killed by the thousands and this time it will be "justified" as defending against acts of war. Guns escalate everything. They may escalate your power but they also escalate the response.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:52 AM UTC

lb1lf wrote: post #72

liaukovv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in the face of growing russian agression nato will relax it's rules.

-More likely, rules will toughen up. The prime purpose of NATO is deterrence; no-one wants to be forced into a shooting war - hence I expect NATO to be very wary of accepting a member which may invoke article 5 pretty much the moment the accession ceremony is over. The Ukraine would have a much easier time getting into NATO if relations with Russia were cordial; however, as the mere act of exercising their sovereignt…

> The prime purpose of NATO is deterrence

There is no point of deterrence when if Ukraine is gone, and you have Russian tanks in Vienna in one week, Munich the other, and the rest of Europe in a month.