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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by alwillis »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #219
websites2323 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

Well, this is supposed to be a professional desktop machine. I don't want to run my work machine off of wifi that could randomly disconnect in the middle of meetings though. I know I'm not the only one. They could have spent the 3 dollars per machine it would cost them to add an ethernet jack, but instead they're going to have you spend $20 on some adapter dongle. As for USB-A, there are tons of peripherals still in…

I know I'm not the only one. They could have spent the 3 dollars per machine it would cost them to add an ethernet jack

It's too thin to support a standard RJ45 port in the back like previous Macs.

macOS has supported Thunderbolt Ethernet/USB-A dongles for years if you want to go that route instead of using the Ethernet built-in to the power adapter.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by alwillis »

reaperducer wrote: post #289
tachyonbeam wrote: post #219

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Well, this is supposed to be a professional desktop machine. I don't want to run my work machine off of wifi that could randomly disconnect in the middle of meetings though. I know I'm not the only one. They could have spent the 3 dollars per machine it would cost them to add an ethernet jack, but instead they're going to have you spend $20 on some adapter dongle. As for USB-A, there are tons of peripherals still in…

Well, this is supposed to be a professional desktop machine. No, it's not. It's a consumer-grade machine. And clearly aimed at that market.

Consumers don't need Wide color P3 displays or the ability to attach a $5000 6K display. Clearly this machine can do professional level tasks, as demonstrated during the keynote.

I wrote about this further up in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26883718

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by alwillis »

Toutouxc wrote: post #79
matsemann wrote: post #52

Why does a stationary computer need to be so thin that they can't fit an ethernet port and have to place it in the charger?

You will not like the answer if you have to ask, but here goes: It's beautiful.

And light and easy to move around if necessary.

Once needed to bring my old 27-inch Intel iMac to collaborate in-person on a project. It weighed 30.5 pounds, which isn't super heavy but it was a hassle to transport.

The 24-inch M1 iMac weighs a little under 10 pounds. You could bring one of these into a conference room at work with no problem.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fomine3 »

recuter wrote: post #442
threatofrain wrote: post #401

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But the emoji key! What kind of world is this!

TIL HackerNews blissfully strips emoji from comments (whilst I was trying to make a low effort joke response to this)

Possibly utf8mb3? 𠘨

Edit: seems not.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fomine3 »

_ph_ wrote: post #348

Those new iMacs look really lovely. They should be a perfect desktop for many users. At 24inch, the screen is large enough, the M1 powerful, silent and also doesn't use a lot of electricity. With all environment concerns, the electricity usage of computers should not be overlooked. I am very happy to see the return of colors, love that! But white bezels around the screen? Those are a bit of a no go for me. And of cou…

Traditional opinion is that AIO PC is bad design (except looks) because it merges display and computer. They work for different lifetime (display lasts longer), unable to self repair, need to send whole display and computer to repair station, non-upgradable, unable to use it as a monitor.

But now maybe it can be thought that both lifetime is almost same, rarely fail thanks to solid state (except fans). So AIO would be totally fine if they implement HDMI-in if you don't need upgradability.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by websites2323 »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #219
websites2323 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

Well, this is supposed to be a professional desktop machine. I don't want to run my work machine off of wifi that could randomly disconnect in the middle of meetings though. I know I'm not the only one. They could have spent the 3 dollars per machine it would cost them to add an ethernet jack, but instead they're going to have you spend $20 on some adapter dongle. As for USB-A, there are tons of peripherals still in…

>I guess I need to buy yet more dongles, or throw them away and replace everything with USB-C peripherals because some 20yo on HN says that USB-A is legacy.

The concern about dongles is so overblown. Let's take your examples each in turn.

>Suppose I have a nice USB-A optical mouse

You buy a USB-C to USB-A adapter and it lives on the mouse's USB-A connector, never being taken off, forever. And then... it's one piece. Are you taking the mouse with you? The dongle comes with it. You don't gotta think about it.

>mechanical keyboard

Same deal. Lots of keyboards even have USB-A ports on them -- which means you only need 1 dongle. One for the keyboard. That lives on the end of the USB-A connector. You have now converted your legacy USB-A device to USB-C and can forget about it forever, for the cost of $5 from Monoprice.

>a really nice $200 audio interface

If you really, for some reason just cannot stand to add a $5 add-on piece to get the latest gear from Apple, many of these devices have detactable cables. So, you can just.. buy a different cable. Let's take the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, which matches your use case at $200. A replacement cable from MonoPrice is... $5.29. And you can put away the old cable and just... have this one.

At the very, very worst case, you're talking about a $1200 machine and an additional cash outlay of approximately $15. For adapters which attach to the thing you want to use, forever, and don't have to be thought of again.

And somehow this is a travesty against the user? Worth of a scrap-and-redesign of the $1200+ machine?

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fomine3 »

mort96 wrote: post #146
websites2323 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m going to go ahead and say if you haven’t gotten onboard with USB C by now you’re behind. It’s been half a decade since the USB A port went away on Mac. I know everyone has their legacy peripherals they love but... it’s time to move on.

They're not "legacy peripherals". Mice and keyboards are far from "legacy", and almost all of them come with USB A cables still. Having to add a flaky USB hub to your desktop just to plug in your keyboard is actually ridiculous. It makes sense on a laptop, but these desktops have _a lot_ of surface area on which they could put a few USB-A ports. EDIT: Though, Apple removing the USB-A ports from everything might be wh…

Astonishing fact: Logitech still doesn't release USB Type-C Unifying adapter.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fomine3 »

dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

Agreed. Reducing bigger ports from laptop is great tradeoff, but having them on desktop computer is convenient, thickness/lightness for desktop isn't good tradeoff.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fomine3 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #100
heipei wrote: post #61

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It doesn't need to be but it is. What are you gonna do, bloat the case just to fit an Ethernet adapter? Also, what's wrong with it being in the charger? This is actually genius, this way only a single cable leads to the machine itself.

I suspect Apple designers think the RJ45 is an ugly cable that should not sully the minimalism of their smoothed rectangles. Jokes aside, putting the connection on the power brick actually seems like a really smart idea for cable management under the desk. And, you will have one fewer cable plugging into the back.

I initially thought that RJ54 on brick is weird, but it seems to make sense. Just curious about intermediate wire interface, 1000BASE-T or USB3? I also expect that it's hard to receive 10GbE update.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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nxc18 wrote: post #302
haunter wrote: post #141

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Not with this prices. It's made for the US market salaries. > slowness of Windows 10 Interestingly I've never had a slow experience on Windows 10 at all and I use an i7 from 2016.

If you don’t see it side-by-side, you don’t really notice it, but Windows 10 is slower at everyday tasks compared to even older Intel Macbooks. Possibly related to the antivirus implementation? Its kind of like Light Mayo vs regular Mayo, you don’t notice the difference in isolation, but things get awkward side-by-side. My M1 Mini is much faster than my 2017 i7 PC with 32gb ram and fast m.2 SSD Edit: to be clear, my…

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