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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by kimburgess »

crooked-v wrote: post #344
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Really, at this point the only things keeping me from replacing my everyday-use personal laptop with an iPad Pro or iPad Air are: - The lack of a true development environment local to the device - The lack of true background app support for things that need persistent connections (ssh clients, etc)

I’ve been working from an iPad as my main machine for the past couple of years now. Definitely doable (but as other have said, there’s _is_ pain when working local only).

I keep an AWS box spinning that runs docker and my dev env (vim as editor), then connect to this via Blink shell. This lets me port forward via SSH. If I need L2 I then use ZeroTier. My SSH key lives in my local Secure Enclave and then forwards via ssh-agent when needed on the external box (eg pushing commits). Background offloading is avoiding by enabling the geo lock, which also has the bonus of tearing down any SSH connections if the device leaves the lock area. Ends up as a pretty neat setup.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by enos_feedler »

jshen wrote: post #274
enos_feedler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ipad’s limitations were arbitrary they wouldn’t exist. The product design is shaped by the use cases it optimizes for. This is no different than saying a GPU has arbitrary limitations for running general C++ code. In some sense yes, you could make a single thread c++ compiler target the GPU, but 1) it wouldnt fit the design well and 2) changing the design to make it work well would mess up the original intended us…

That's fair, arbitrary wasn't the right word. They were chosen for the use case of a smart phone, not a general purpose computer. People pretending that they are reasonable for a general purpose computer are missing the boat IMO. But some things are arbitrary. For example, only allowing one web browser engine is 100% arbitrary (or worse, an abuse of monopoly power).

MacOS allows arbitrary web browser engines, yet I just use safari. My mac has never felt less like a general purpose computer because of this. How is this related?

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by lofi_lory »

_ph_ wrote: post #134
DCKing wrote: post #73

The M1 has the necessary hardware to run virtualization. Apple could decide to allow VMWare or Parallels to bring desktop virtualization software to the iPad. You could have an all-in-one device for casual use, note taking, art and media consumption that turns into a capable Linux desktop at will. There's even 16GB RAM options available to make that reasonably comfortable, as well as a port to connect to a dock. But…

If it were possible to run Linux on the iPad Pro, I would upgrade in a heartbeat to a high-end configuration.

If peripheral input works and networking and all. And 0.5-1TB storage is just expensive, not ridiculously expensive.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by enos_feedler »

jshen wrote: post #274
enos_feedler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ipad’s limitations were arbitrary they wouldn’t exist. The product design is shaped by the use cases it optimizes for. This is no different than saying a GPU has arbitrary limitations for running general C++ code. In some sense yes, you could make a single thread c++ compiler target the GPU, but 1) it wouldnt fit the design well and 2) changing the design to make it work well would mess up the original intended us…

That's fair, arbitrary wasn't the right word. They were chosen for the use case of a smart phone, not a general purpose computer. People pretending that they are reasonable for a general purpose computer are missing the boat IMO. But some things are arbitrary. For example, only allowing one web browser engine is 100% arbitrary (or worse, an abuse of monopoly power).

Yes those people are missing the boat. We don’t have to worry about them though. Let’em suffer the pain of ignorance ;)

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by [deleted] »

clairity wrote: post #349
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #334

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From my primitive understanding, many of the iOS animations are basically pre-rendered and played at the right time to cover up any CPU-intensive activities that are happening under the hood. Rather than display a laggy, stuttering input box that captures every keypress (eventually), they've chosen to lock you out from input entirely, force you to sit back and watch the beautiful transition, then allow you to input w…

yes, i've heard at least a variation of that explanation before, and it made sense for the first few iterations of idevices, but not so much anymore. apple devices are among the most powerful personal computers ever available. it really shouldn't be that way at this point.

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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by Grustaf »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

I personally think multitasking works great, but I guess that's subjective. The claim about external screens is not true though, as a developer you can put anything you want on an external screen, mirroring is just the fallback behaviour.

Almost all apps obviously take advantage of the keyboard, and 100% of apps where it makes sense. The trackpad can also be used in all apps, although it is true that not all apps are optimised for it yet, but all standard UI elements support it automatically.

Not sure why you'd expect iPad apps to be similar to the desktop variants, it seems that would be pretty pointless no? You might not like the iPad UX, but many people prefer it.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by peraspera »

peraspera wrote: post #310
mabedan wrote: post #284

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3rd gen iPad was from 9 years ago... show me a 9 year old phone or tablet for any other manufacturer which still gets updated

Not my point at all, though still pretty appalling. It's quite trivial to install LineageOS, for instance, on an old Android phone. Apple completely blocks this route. If your iDevice is no longer supported, it becomes a shiny, expensive paperweight.

That's fair. I'm not complaining about their update policy, though.

My issue is that I see tablets as computers, and yet I can't even run an updated browser on a fairly decent computer released only nine years ago.

Apple also makes it very hard for more savvy users to install something else on their hardware, so once they stop supporting it one's forced to recycle it.

Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the iPad, but a thousand-dollar iMac from 2010 no longer being useful is quite sad, IMHO. My 2005 NEC laptop is still going.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by Grustaf »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #334
clairity wrote: post #148

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> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

From my primitive understanding, many of the iOS animations are basically pre-rendered and played at the right time to cover up any CPU-intensive activities that are happening under the hood. Rather than display a laggy, stuttering input box that captures every keypress (eventually), they've chosen to lock you out from input entirely, force you to sit back and watch the beautiful transition, then allow you to input w…

iOS animations are not pre-rendered, and more and more they are even interruptible, even interactive. For example, if you start swiping the home screen you can catch the swipe at any point.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by SXX »

staticfloat wrote: post #366
rvz wrote: post #193

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From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

In case there's anyone out there with an M1 MBP that desperately wants multiple monitors, if you use a DisplayLink compatible external dock, something about the alternate driver that such a dock uses allows for multiple monitors. I personally use the Dell D6000 to run three external displays in addition to the built-in display off of my M1 MBP and it works quite well. You can see a list of DisplayLink docking station…

Any chance that you know of any good dock station with 3 HDMI ports? Since DP on my monitors is used by desktop GPU.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by justnotworthit »

barbazoo wrote: post #162

> Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This means that every Apple device sold, from material collection, component manufacturing, assembly, transport, customer use, charging, all the way through recycling and material recovery, will be 100 p…

Anyone know anything about the impact of rare earth material mining/refining?
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