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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by brailsafe »

fastball wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #81

Can someone explain the 8gb obsession (edit: 16gb is possible, but why not more) ? is there a real limitation with this architecture or are they just making a business decision so they can sell multiple models over 2-3 years instead of creating what the market wants immediately

Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). It's just about scale for the time being, probably. The M1 chip is now in 5 different devices. That is 100% worth not fulfilling everyone's RAM needs for the fantastic economies of scale and engineering simplicity that brings. They'll come out with an M2 soon en…

> Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else).

I agree with the latter, but tell that to their previous default of 4gb ram and 120gb ssd (for so long) and 16gb of storage on iPads.

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Post by frereubu »

saagarjha wrote: post #273
codezero wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the shot I saw showed the same big left right arrow keys. Small improvements to the over all design but that is still a huge tactile wart for me as well. If I end up using one of those keyboards I'll probably replace the larger arrow keys with something that has the top half recessed, or just add a dimple/bar over them for a similar sensation.

Yeah it's really strange, because all their other new keyboards have inverted T…

I think it's because of the more rounded corners - hard to see how they could have a shallow right arrow key with that corner radius. Sigh. Two steps forward, one step back.

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Post by roody15 »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #283
vmception wrote: post #81

Can someone explain the 8gb obsession (edit: 16gb is possible, but why not more) ? is there a real limitation with this architecture or are they just making a business decision so they can sell multiple models over 2-3 years instead of creating what the market wants immediately

As a developer who moved from a 16gb Intel MBP to an 8gb Air, I see no difference at all. I think a combination of the nature of the SOC and the massively faster retain/release cycle just make it much less of an issue. That said, I did straight up run out of RAM the other day, but my editor was chewing up something like 32gb of swap. Still no slowdown, though. (I suspect a memory leak, it's very new software)

Using that much swap frequently sounds like it might wear out your ssd early(thrashing)

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by mixmastamyk »

bombcar wrote: post #282
heipei wrote: post #61

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It doesn't need to be but it is. What are you gonna do, bloat the case just to fit an Ethernet adapter? Also, what's wrong with it being in the charger? This is actually genius, this way only a single cable leads to the machine itself.

But why just Ethernet? Why not go further, make the power cord also USB-C (or even Thunderbolt) and have the power brick be a dock with USB and whatnot plugs on it?

Is that not how it works?

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Post by _ph_ »

jibbers wrote: post #367
_ph_ wrote: post #348

Those new iMacs look really lovely. They should be a perfect desktop for many users. At 24inch, the screen is large enough, the M1 powerful, silent and also doesn't use a lot of electricity. With all environment concerns, the electricity usage of computers should not be overlooked. I am very happy to see the return of colors, love that! But white bezels around the screen? Those are a bit of a no go for me. And of cou…

VESA is still available, thankfully. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-vesa

Ah, that is great :)

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Post by soapdog »

protomyth wrote: post #27

I am not excited at all for the Ethernet port to be part of the power supply. It just makes my job harder. I will probably be buying external 10Gbe adapters anyway. The memory is also a concern. They didn't show the memory in the summary slide like they did with the MacBooks and Mac mini. This is just disappointing. I hope 16gb an option. I really wish we could get back to 32gb. [edit] 16GB is an option according to…

that is odd, in https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac it doesn't show the 16gb option.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by mort96 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #323
mort96 wrote: post #235

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So, I was curious if you are correct and the market has changed a lot, or if I'm correct and most peripherals still use USB-A. So I checked out the website of a tech reseller, sorted their keyboards by most sold, and counted the technology used. Before I stopped counting, I found 8 wireless keyboards using bluetooth, 9 wireless keyboards using a USB-A receiver, and 10 wired keyboards using a USB-A cable. It seems lik…

Yeah, it should go without saying that gamers and people who code are in a different class: hobbyists. I'm one of them, and most of the people on this site are too. We love our periphs. I have a wireless (mech) keyboard and a wireless mouse that both charge via usb-C cables, though it is something I filtered by when I was shopping for them a year or so ago in anticipation of this happening. I think Apple (correctly)…

I mean, now your argument has changed from "most peripherals use bluetooth so it doesn't matter" to "most peripherals use USB-A, but many Apple users will nonetheless tolerate the lack of USB-A on their desktops". I can't really argue against that, and maybe it's correct.

EDIT: Just to respond to the "gamers and people who code are in a different class" thing: I went to a different store which is more general, went through the most sold keyboards, and skipped all "gaming" keyboards (so everything from Razer, everything branded Logitech G, everything with RGB), and counted to 14 bluetooth keyboards and 19 keyboards which require USB-A (7 wired, 12 with the USB receiver dongle). People just use USB-A peripherals a whole lot. (Store URL: https://www.elkjop.no/INTERSHOP/web/WFS/store-elkjop-Site/no...)

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by theshrike79 »

codezero wrote: post #162

Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! I like the direction Apple is going here, I assume they will have higher end iMacs later this year or early next year, and that's what I'll be waiting for. I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32, and that's about all I'd ask for. My current workstation is a 2013 27" iMac fully upgraded (fusion drive, 16…

> I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32

All this will come with the M2 chip either in the fall lineup or next year. Same time as the 16" MBP will transfer from Intel to M-series.

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