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Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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We've seen this time and again where walled gardens provide a solid experience and end up winning consumer trust. How do the champions of FOSS battle this? I don't know, but I'm on board when someone figures it out.

> How do the champions of FOSS battle this?

"Podcasting 2.0" https://podcastindex.org/

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

Lately, I've even been scared of listening to music other than my usual taste (e.g. a radio hit, a foreign song, song in one of those instagram videos) because their algorithm seems to amplify my "smart" playlists with anything that's different. There should be an option to turn off simple things like that: turn off podcasts, pause learning from my music for then next 30 minutes, etc. I always thought the advantage o…

> There should be an option to turn off simple things like that: turn off podcasts, pause learning from my music for then next 30 minutes, etc.

They state that private listening 'may' not influence your music recommendations.

https://support.spotify.com/us/article/private-listening/

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Rogan is fine (if dumb) light entertainment to have in the background. I haven’t listened to a single episode since the move now that it’s not on YouTube anymore. Spotify is also totally awful for podcasts as the UX is for a music player. Besides Lex now fills that hole with a lot more intelligence

I've heard Joe Rogan jokingly refered to as "Oprah for middle aged white dudes".

If only he were Oprah.

More like "Gwyneth Paltrow for bros".

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

I recently gave Spotify a try for about 8 months but just switched back to Apple Music. My reason for switching back had nothing to do with podcasts, it was simply Spotify's terrible interface that makes it impossible to just browse all the music in your library . But I had also started to notice podcasts infiltrating UI that used to be only music playlists. A few times I even mistakenly clicked on a podcast thinking…

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Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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post #76

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No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

Not very related... The reason I canceled Spotify Account is because I couldn’t downvote songs in a playlist. The music suggestions for some artists were horrible, and I couldn’t opt out of them.

What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste... And, uh, I wish there was an easier way for me to just browse music by category. I just want to see all the new releases under electronic music and browse through them quickly. I don't need to be spoon-fed things as part of "discover weekly".

Also, the Spotify Chromecast integration is utter shit. It has been utter shit for a while, but it seems it's just getting worse? It's laggy, it randomly pauses during my playlist for no reason. I ended up buying a bluetooth receiver to hook to my AV system so I could get reliable playback. What the fuck? Why isn't this getting fixed?

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Barmy? I've not listened since his move to Spotify. What's happened?

The Spotify move sort of coincided with him moving from LA to Austin. After that move he's not been getting many interesting guests. Lately it feels like it's been a 45/45/10 mix of (to me) uninteresting comedians, uninteresting martial arts personalities and misc. Sometimes there's someone interesting in the misc category.

I see. Perhaps COVID has impacted quality guests from travelling, and poorer quality guests are more willing to travel. Just a guess.

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts? Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then. There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "ca…

No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

I did just that about a month ago. I don't give a shit about their podcasts, I'm only interested in their music, the home screen is garbage now. I moved to Qobuz (which has other problems, but it's generally fine).

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Joe who? Seriously, I think that there are a number of reasons why this won't pan out as predicted: - There aren't really any tent-pole, must listen podcasts. They thought Joe Rogan was one but I'm hearing a lot of people have stopped listening to him on Spotify (I have). - Spotify (and others) don't have the money to buy out the whole podcast ecosystem and many podcast makers I think would resist going Spotify exclu…

Yeah I really wish there is a way to see the engagement with JRE on spotify ... on youtube it was immediately available (views count / comments / likes dislikes) ... in a sense youtube provided the end user with the content, a way to evaluate it (analytics) and ability to have a community around it (comment section).

Spotify doesn't offer any of those.. I too was a daily JRE listener and not anymore, but the good news is that I feel like I upgraded by choosing more specialized podcasts based on my interests.

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

#139

Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts? Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then. There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "ca…

I guess Spotify is paying "celebrities" to host their podcasts, even at a loss, as a way to get more people to subscribe. It is a well known game that was played by satellite radio stations a decade ago.

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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They might have a better chance if their podcast experience had even one competent engineer working on it. I truly don't know how they managed to flub it so bad. By far the worst podcast player/manager around!

The people running the company now might be primarily media people rather than tech people. In such situations, there's a tendency to highly value media ("It's what we sell to customers!") and undervalue the infrastructure that makes selling that media possible. Spotify's public fights between management and employees can't be good for recruitment either. If you're an engineer trying to decide between two jobs that are similar in compensation but one has been in the press for labor unrest and the other hasn't, you're probably going to go with the less controversial employer.
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