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Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

squarefoot wrote: post #14

Please stop putting action/choice buttons (Ok, Cancel, Yes, No, etc.) on windows title bars! There has been a reason why they were placed at the bottom: I grab a window by its title bar and if needed I can arrange it through the closest controls over there that should be only the buttons to act on the window itself and not the contents, then I read the contents and while doing so my focus moves towards the window low…

Even worse, because they’re “decoration”, they’re hidden if the window is fullscreened.

So if I full screen a file picker dialog, the action buttons get hidden too.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by kaba0 »

wander_homer wrote: post #49
kaba0 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you do that, then you have every window’s overview there, so what you and the author writes is false. Would you like a screenshot of it, because that is what I see precisely in front of me?

I don't need a screenshot, I have it running here. By default GNOME does not display all running applications on the desktop, you always have to do an extra step (mouse click, hot corner, key press, swipe) and activate the Activities screen, which is not necessary on basically any other desktop system, and that is precisely what the author complained about.

That’s called not having a taskbar, and has been the case since Gnome 3 (without extensions), so I don’t see how is it relevant under gnome 40.

And why would I want to waste vertical space for that, when I can do a really short movement to see them all, in a better digestible form, because humans are better at remembering the position of something

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by pjmlp »

nly wrote: post #50
pjmlp wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the decision against freeloaders. Too many people expect to be paid for their work, while not giving anything to upstream only entitlement of what should be provided as free beer. For those there is GPL license for Qt.

It's not about money. There are plenty of FOSS non-profit software projects that want to be able to distribute their apps and not have to deal with all this fragmentation. If you develop a QML app and want it to compile and run properly on all distros out there you need to code use a very low common denominator version of Qt and the associated QML components (versioning for which is only checked at runtime).

Those needs are easily covered by GPL license variant.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by wander_homer »

kaba0 wrote: post #52
wander_homer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need a screenshot, I have it running here. By default GNOME does not display all running applications on the desktop, you always have to do an extra step (mouse click, hot corner, key press, swipe) and activate the Activities screen, which is not necessary on basically any other desktop system, and that is precisely what the author complained about.

That’s called not having a taskbar, and has been the case since Gnome 3 (without extensions), so I don’t see how is it relevant under gnome 40. And why would I want to waste vertical space for that, when I can do a really short movement to see them all, in a better digestible form, because humans are better at remembering the position of something

> That’s called not having a taskbar

Or a dock, the one GNOME already implements in its Activities screen.

> and has been the case since Gnome 3 (without extensions), so I don’t see how is it relevant under gnome 40.

The author never said otherwise, their whole point was to explain, that moving the dock from the left, which is in close range to the hot corner and button to activate the Activities screen, to the bottom, means that you now have to move the mouse a much larger distance if you want to access the dock with the mouse. And since GNOME doesn't support an auto-hiding dock at the bottom, there's no way around that when you use the mouse.

I mean I'm just rephrasing what the author already wrote, because I think they made their point pretty clear to begin with.

> And why would I want to waste vertical space for that, when I can do a really short movement to see them all, in a better digestible form, because humans are better at remembering the position of something

Every other modern and popular desktop on this planet supports auto-hiding docks/panels and nobody asks GNOME to force an always visible dock on you.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by hyperpl »

tsar9x wrote: post #29

I gave up on Gnome, there are many things that I had to tweak to have productive environment, and I don't like to be part of experiments(Gnome 40) on my machines. I simply moved to i3/sway, best decision ever.

Yeah Gnome sort of reminded me of using Windows again where I was always manually tweaking my environment through dialogs for each new setup.

I've since tried to move away from all of this starting with Gnome back in 2000/2001 (think I first went to xfce before switching to tiling WMs)

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by abenga »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #41
kaba0 wrote: post #24

I don’t understand this shitting on open source software. Criticism would be okay, but a click-bait article with some easily debunked falsities on a not even released version, just seems to be in bad faith. > Gnome doesn't show you the overview of your open apps or any application shortcuts on its desktop. You need to open Activities - an extra mouse click - before they are shown It does, that is like the core featur…

>It does, that is like the core feature of gnome You missed the point. They meant there's no always-on-display taskbar. >It can be set in Tweaks >Gnome Tweaks Probably, but should you "need a SEPARATE application" (as they say) to set something that should be default? That you can configure those things using third-party software doesn't take away from the point the author is making, and if anything enhances it since…

It should not be the default; it's a waste of scarce horizontal pixels on something you may not need to use all the time. Alt+Tab is sufficient for seeing which Windows are open, and switching among them.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by unionpivo »

kaba0 wrote: post #52
wander_homer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need a screenshot, I have it running here. By default GNOME does not display all running applications on the desktop, you always have to do an extra step (mouse click, hot corner, key press, swipe) and activate the Activities screen, which is not necessary on basically any other desktop system, and that is precisely what the author complained about.

That’s called not having a taskbar, and has been the case since Gnome 3 (without extensions), so I don’t see how is it relevant under gnome 40. And why would I want to waste vertical space for that, when I can do a really short movement to see them all, in a better digestible form, because humans are better at remembering the position of something

Sure, and it has bugged people like me since release of Gnome 3.

Well ... I switched to KDE, so not really bugged by it any more.

What he wrote is factually correct (about extra click/gesture/keypress/...), and complaint of many people.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by unionpivo »

pjmlp wrote: post #47
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #35

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And I use GTK applications just fine on my KDE desktop. The DE you use does not dictate which applications you run.

It is a matter of taste, nothing against KDE, or the minority role it currently holds on Gtk dominated landscape.

Not sure if it's really minority.

Have been using desktop Linux for almost 2 decades, My last 2 workplaces have been Linux desktop centric. Helped deploy quite a few Linux workstations.

I don't know many people that use Gnome.

Most use either KDE or some tiling WM (or some custom fork of Gnome2/3 that looks nothing like default gnome).

When Ubuntu dropped unity, some people went to gnome, some stayed but at least in my circles most bounced off.

Re: Gnome 40 – The anti-desktop desktop

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Post by clircle »

tsar9x wrote: post #29

I gave up on Gnome, there are many things that I had to tweak to have productive environment, and I don't like to be part of experiments(Gnome 40) on my machines. I simply moved to i3/sway, best decision ever.

I like i3/sway on small screens, but on my large 4k screen all the windows are too big, too much white space. For me, the tiling paradigm does not work with big monitors. Linux on the whole doesn't work well with 4K. I don't know what the solution is, I just want 150% UI scaling like windows.
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