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Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Genuine question: what are some practical advantages of a split-flap display over, well... any other kind of dynamic character display? The only two I could think of are: - they don't emit light, so maybe there could be some kind of light-sensitive situation where this would be required (though in that case e-ink would surely surpass it). - the sound passively-alerting those present to updates. It's not obtrusive or…

similarly to an e-ink display, it doesn't take energy to show the current/last status, it's required only for transitions. If there's a blackout, the display is still visible.

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Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Nostalgia, really -- I have fond associations of these with childhood train journeys. I could just about imagine a genuine use case in some kind of hostile environment. You could probably make one of these very resistant to water/temperature/radiation, with the controller kept safely out of the way.

I used to have one of these, but left it above the radiator. All flaps warped beyond repair :( So if you're going for resistance to harsh environments you'd have to source a better material for the flaps, at least.

Hm, after watching and listening to videos of these displays at airports and train stations (don't think I've ever seen one in person), I thought the flaps in the commercial ones were made of thin sheet metal because the flipping sound was somewhat sharper than the OP version.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Nostalgia, really -- I have fond associations of these with childhood train journeys. I could just about imagine a genuine use case in some kind of hostile environment. You could probably make one of these very resistant to water/temperature/radiation, with the controller kept safely out of the way.

That sparked an interesting idea: would these work in a zero-gravity situation (mechanically I mean), and if not, how to adapt them so they would? (And agree with the nostalgia - I'm sure for many the sound is associated with a quiet anticipation or excitement of embarking on a journey.)

> how to adapt them so they would?

Add rotary springs (is this a valid term?) to the flap hinges so they're forced down once released from the top edge of the frame.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Scott Bezek has a great video on "How a Split Flap Display Works" [0]. He also sells blank "flaps" on Tindie [1]. The documentation on how to build the Split Flap is also really awesome [2], including how to cut your own flaps [3]. I've been following this project for a while. It's pretty awesome. I estimate about $10 per character (as opposed to the $180/character (!!) another poster mentioned through Alibaba), with…

> I've been following this project for a while. It's pretty awesome. I estimate about $10 per character (as opposed to the $180/character (!!) another poster mentioned through Alibaba), with a large portion of the cost being the custom cut "flaps" (in small quantities). It seems like the cost could get in the $2-$4 range per character but I couldn't figure out how to do it without a significant amount of labor involv…

> Laser cutting a bunch of sheets at once could be one option

Use a waterjet cutter instead. You'll have some issues with microplastics in the water, but these can be filtered.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Genuine question: what are some practical advantages of a split-flap display over, well... any other kind of dynamic character display? The only two I could think of are: - they don't emit light, so maybe there could be some kind of light-sensitive situation where this would be required (though in that case e-ink would surely surpass it). - the sound passively-alerting those present to updates. It's not obtrusive or…

The contrast is very high, so easy to read in bright sunlight

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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That sparked an interesting idea: would these work in a zero-gravity situation (mechanically I mean), and if not, how to adapt them so they would? (And agree with the nostalgia - I'm sure for many the sound is associated with a quiet anticipation or excitement of embarking on a journey.)

They probably won't. After a flap has passed the upper lip, which is kind of holding it back to have a precise "flipping point", gravity will take care of moving it down. No gravity, no flap. ;-)

You could use suction or flow of air to overcome this. Or perhaps even a spring.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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> I've been following this project for a while. It's pretty awesome. I estimate about $10 per character (as opposed to the $180/character (!!) another poster mentioned through Alibaba), with a large portion of the cost being the custom cut "flaps" (in small quantities). It seems like the cost could get in the $2-$4 range per character but I couldn't figure out how to do it without a significant amount of labor involv…

Laser cutting is straight out for the hobbyist, because of the chlorine, as you correctly point out. I think the way to do this is either with a CNC or with some die punch solution. Doing a single cutout of PVC with a CNC would be fine, but doing 40x23x7 is probably not. Doing a die punch is maybe possible but I don't really know how to create a custom punch and what tooling to use.

It's too bad there isn't a bigger market for this, steel rule dies aren't too expensive to get made. And used clickers are pretty cheap too.

But only if you were doing a bunch of signs!

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Genuine question: what are some practical advantages of a split-flap display over, well... any other kind of dynamic character display? The only two I could think of are: - they don't emit light, so maybe there could be some kind of light-sensitive situation where this would be required (though in that case e-ink would surely surpass it). - the sound passively-alerting those present to updates. It's not obtrusive or…

There is the advantage of extremely high resolution and crisp contrast. The digits can be printed in any colour and on (kind of) any texture you like. It scales also very well to very large displays.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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> I've been following this project for a while. It's pretty awesome. I estimate about $10 per character (as opposed to the $180/character (!!) another poster mentioned through Alibaba), with a large portion of the cost being the custom cut "flaps" (in small quantities). It seems like the cost could get in the $2-$4 range per character but I couldn't figure out how to do it without a significant amount of labor involv…

> Laser cutting a bunch of sheets at once could be one option Use a waterjet cutter instead. You'll have some issues with microplastics in the water, but these can be filtered.

Show me a water jet cutter that's priced at the hobbyist level (and isn't a full time job to upkeep) and I'm there.

Re: Open source “split-flap” mechanical display

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Related video on Flip Clocks from Technology Connections: https://youtu.be/ZArBfxaPzD8

I really enjoy Alec's videos and quirky humour. Beware though, this kind of channel is a massive, addicting time sink. Other similar channels that HN might appreciate (the first two are quite well-known, the last one I found recently and is definitely bingeworthy): - Smarter Every Day https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6107grRI4m0o2-emgoDnAA - Tom Scott https://www.youtube.com/user/enyay - Practical Engineering https:…

Also check Ben Eater's for computer stuff https://www.youtube.com/c/BenEater/videos
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