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Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by AlphaSite »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #18
jsiepkes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, obviously telco equipment can be used for spying, but there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing here at all. That's incorrect. The report made by Capgemini stated that there were clear boundaries as to what Huawei was allowed to access but they violated those boundaries. Apparently also a list of numbers under surveillance by Dutch intelligence was found in possession of Huawei. Which was clearly well bey…

Though I can't read the actual report, this article does not support your claims. >Apparently also a list of numbers under surveillance by Dutch intelligence was found in possession of Huawei. Which was clearly well beyond those boundaries Wouldn't the ones running the network need to know which numbers were under surveillance to provide the intelligence agency access?

It could be done at arms length through an API. Then it would become an issue of reading data they shouldn’t be.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by game_the0ry »

American, here. Given that there is no hard proof that Huawei actually spies on their customers and that Huawei critics use the same talking points in the media to criticize Huawei and China, I am starting believe that this is not about China as a threat. That they could be a threat is not the same as the being a threat.

Rather, Western leaders no longer have the willingness or belief that we can compete in tech with China (on the contrary, we can and should), so they've given up and threw a tantrum, screaming 'no fair no fair, they steal our IP', which is predictable, given that Western corporate leaders have outsourced all manufacturing to China...dumb.

There are real issues to criticize with China, and Huawei is not the worst one.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by kube-system »

ajross wrote: post #5

The spin on this situation is dumb. What it amounts to is that KPN hired Huawei on a contract basis to administer its equipment, and as a result those contract administrators had... administrator privileges on the Huawei equipment. Now, obviously telco equipment can be used for spying, but there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing here at all. If there is any finger to point, it's at KPN for hiring an untrusted…

> Now, obviously telco equipment can be used for spying, but there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing here at all.

Of course. But, security posture is an important thing to consider. This may be an obvious thing to many people on this forum, but it is not obvious to much of the general public.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by Ironlink »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #18
jsiepkes wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, obviously telco equipment can be used for spying, but there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing here at all. That's incorrect. The report made by Capgemini stated that there were clear boundaries as to what Huawei was allowed to access but they violated those boundaries. Apparently also a list of numbers under surveillance by Dutch intelligence was found in possession of Huawei. Which was clearly well bey…

Though I can't read the actual report, this article does not support your claims. >Apparently also a list of numbers under surveillance by Dutch intelligence was found in possession of Huawei. Which was clearly well beyond those boundaries Wouldn't the ones running the network need to know which numbers were under surveillance to provide the intelligence agency access?

The article says:

> The company gained unauthorized access to the heart of the mobile network from China.

... but then, in the very next sentence:

> How often that happened is not clear because it was not recorded anywhere.

This wording is a bit unclear. The first sentence states as a matter of fact that there was unauthorized access, while the second states that there are no records.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by Joker_vD »

AlphaSite wrote: post #31
boomboomsubban wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though I can't read the actual report, this article does not support your claims. >Apparently also a list of numbers under surveillance by Dutch intelligence was found in possession of Huawei. Which was clearly well beyond those boundaries Wouldn't the ones running the network need to know which numbers were under surveillance to provide the intelligence agency access?

It could be done at arms length through an API. Then it would become an issue of reading data they shouldn’t be.

Unless people inventing such API thought that the domestic telco equipment will be operated by foregin companies. And I somehow suspect they've thought exactly the opposite: that they can rely on domestic providers be domestic firms, easily supervised by the domestic law enforcement agencies.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by kube-system »

geofft wrote: post #30
Gys wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for hiring an untrusted contractor So you agree Huawei cannot be trusted. I think that is the whole point of the discussion.

You shouldn't trust any provider under the jurisdiction of an anti-liberty nation-state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Not sure why Huawei is unique here.

The US and the Netherlands are both allied members of NATO. That's why Huawei is a different story.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by varispeed »

ajross wrote: post #5

The spin on this situation is dumb. What it amounts to is that KPN hired Huawei on a contract basis to administer its equipment, and as a result those contract administrators had... administrator privileges on the Huawei equipment. Now, obviously telco equipment can be used for spying, but there's absolutely no allegation of wrongdoing here at all. If there is any finger to point, it's at KPN for hiring an untrusted…

Your comment sound kind of like victim blaming.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by hn8788 »

simion314 wrote: post #29
Gys wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for hiring an untrusted contractor So you agree Huawei cannot be trusted. I think that is the whole point of the discussion.

Not OP, but must probably this is just part of the anti-China propaganda , I think it started with the false accusations from Bloomberg... so I expect that any Huawei related news is false until some actual evidence is presented to the police or something.

Huawei doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt, a lot of their early success was due to hacking Cisco and Nortel then building competing products based on stolen information, all while the Chinese government was restricting non-Chinese telecom vendors from operating in the country.

Re: Huawei was able to eavesdrop on Dutch mobile network KPN: Report

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Post by christkv »

I’m more worried about Europe letting the Chinese government buy into crucial infrastructure https://www.google.com/amp/s/energy.economictimes.indiatimes...

How is this even sensible and there is no way the Chinese government will ever let a non Chinese firm control their infrastructure so why is this not stopped. What politicians are making money on this?

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