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Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by jefftk »

vineyardmike wrote: post #247
jefftk wrote: post #213

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> I run a website with no trackers, no ads, nothing at all to do with Google or any other company in any way. Then your site will not be included in FLoC: "A page visit will be included in the browser's FLoC calculation if document.interestCohort() is used on the page. During the current FLoC origin trial, a page will also be included in the calculation if Chrome detects that the page load ads or ads-related resource…

> if Chrome detects that the page load ads or ads-related resources how does it make this decision?

It uses a filter based on EasyList: https://github.com/chromium/chromium-ads-detection/blob/mast...

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by shakna »

pdenton wrote: post #155
shakna wrote: post #43

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Add the HTML equivalent to the document head:

I don't think the meta version of Permissions-Policy ever got implemented. "http-equiv" isn't a magic "here's a HTTP header I forgot to mention" pixie dust. Better stick to the actual recommendation of adding the header in the server configuration.

Whilst http-equiv is said to be an enumerated value, so far as I know in Chrome, it actually is "magic HTTP Header pixie dust": [0]

And whilst in Firefox parsing of the element is more spread out, they accept a very wide number of headers that aren't documented, and you'll find examples on MDN for any number of headers using http-equiv which aren't specified in the standard or on their docs for http-equiv itself [2] (For example, X-DNS-Prefetch-Control [1]).

[0] https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:o...

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/X-...

[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/me...

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by kristopolous »

rakoo wrote: post #92
kristopolous wrote: post #88

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Would you be willing to entertain that maybe they died because most people who used phones found those platforms to be weaker product offerings with the things they cared about and that your value system may have fundamentally differences? Would you further entertain that the inability to perceive such realities and differences and manufacturers inability to navigate these preferences is a major determinant of succes…

That would be a possibility if people acted rationnally and chose to spend their money after a thorough evaluation of the market, their players and perspectives for the future. This just never happens for a majority of phone consumers.

humans have never worked that way. it's why advertising exists.

if we want different products to succeed we can't just close our eyes, cross our fingers, and hope that humanity acts the way we fantasize it ought to.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by rakoo »

kristopolous wrote: post #254
rakoo wrote: post #92

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That would be a possibility if people acted rationnally and chose to spend their money after a thorough evaluation of the market, their players and perspectives for the future. This just never happens for a majority of phone consumers.

humans have never worked that way. it's why advertising exists. if we want different products to succeed we can't just close our eyes, cross our fingers, and hope that humanity acts the way we fantasize it ought to.

This is exactly what I'm saying: you're saying first that those devices failed because they were weaker, which is the premise behind free market. That is wrong, they failed because they didn't have the marketing machine pushing them to the top. Buyers don't buy based on whether the product is better or not, they buy based on more emotional values. That's the whole Information Asymetry thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_asymmetry)

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by berniemadoff69 »

Ndymium wrote: post #62
berniemadoff69 wrote: post #28

> add_header Permissions-Policy interest-cohort=(); what does that even do?

It adds a header "permissions-policy" to the HTTP response with the value "interest-cohort=()". This turns off the FLoC feature for the site in Google Chrome.

im specifically asking about the nature of the value "interest-cohort=()" , it's being presented as some thing to just inject into your nginx conf file to make floc go away or whatever, but im wondering why the value needs to equal "()" etc.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by ehsankia »

dcow wrote: post #187
syntactic-sugar wrote: post #174

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- FLoC is still far better than third party cookies I'd take issue with 'far' better, and it has the additional problem of turning the privacy issue in to a moving target. How long did it take to get the wider public and legislators moving on tracking cookies? Now it's a similar issue, just it's called FLoC and its code on your own machine doing the spying. - A world without advertising Super disagree that this at al…

Advertising without any sort of tracking just based purely on inbound search queries is still really good advertising and better than older ways. What most people don't want is a profile following you around everywhere.

For Google Search it is, that doesn't apply to the millions of websites that aren't search engines and require monetization to be profitable.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by Ndymium »

berniemadoff69 wrote: post #256
Ndymium wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It adds a header "permissions-policy" to the HTTP response with the value "interest-cohort=()". This turns off the FLoC feature for the site in Google Chrome.

im specifically asking about the nature of the value "interest-cohort=()" , it's being presented as some thing to just inject into your nginx conf file to make floc go away or whatever, but im wondering why the value needs to equal "()" etc.

The format of the Permissions-Policy header is roughly =(). An empty list allows no origins (not even the current page), so the feature is turned off.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by nirui »

ripdog wrote: post #179
nirui wrote: post #170

Curious. How many of you actually brought something just because a machine/stranger recommended it to you? For me, it's almost never. I watch YouTube a lot, as a free tier user, of course. When a video starts to play, all my focus is automatically dead-locked on the "Skip Ad" button, and sometimes "Skip trial". It's a game for me now to see how fast I can tap the "Skip". As for the content of the Ad, well, usually I…

What's really curious is that you aren't using ublock origin. Life's too short to be harassed by marketing.

It sound funny, but sometimes, those ads contains some information that might spark the curiosity in me.

For example, there was an ad about some gangster/mafia game, the ad itself was absolute ridicules for my taste, however, the game itself received ~4.3 stars rating on Google Play, which is completely contrary to my expectation -- other people think it's not a bad game, it's just me not understanding it well enough.

Look, I live a simple life, the world in my eyes is narrow, which is bad for me as a (self entitled LOL) developer. So if getting harassed for 5 seconds is what it takes to widen my view a bit, I think I'll take it :D

Of course I never downloaded the game, so it's still an ineffective advertisement for them.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by sss111 »

rchaud wrote: post #216
sss111 wrote: post #207

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how hard would it be to build something to replace google? The search engine

I think web directories might come back. It's not a search engine per se, but like how Craigslist works....websites listed under a bunch of categories. I miss the days when you'd click on sites inside the Yahoo! directory just because they had a cool or funny domain name. Search probably saved us several years worth of time, but at the same time made it almost impossible to randomly come across sites in your category…

I miss them too! It's not the Yahoo! directory, but I have a feeling you will like this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/
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