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Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

_Understated_ wrote: post #193

Ok, so let me see if I understand this correctly: I run a website with no trackers, no ads, nothing at all to do with Google or any other company in any way. You come along, with Google Chrome, and visit my site. Google adds the fact that you visited my site to their massive dataset (as well as who-knows-what-else) And to opt out of something I have never been asked to be involved with in any way, I need to contact G…

>Google are just using your Chrome browsing data

"Just"? Google should have absolutely no access to your non-Google browsing history whatsoever.

That alone is pitchfork-worthy.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by scaglio »

prox wrote: post #147
scaglio wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, I hoped it could be done from the website code. Currently I have a Hugo blog hosted on ahem Firebase – not the best de-Googled solution. :)

There are many solutions, from client side JS, serverside coding to your server settings themselves. There is a nice thing in there, banning a google browser on a google product ;)

In the end, I managed to add a banner on my Hugo blog[1] that should appear with all the browsers (for now) except for Firefox and Brave. I did it in two steps:

1- CSS "supports" feature to identify Mozilla Firefox[2]

2- A simple JS script to identify Brave[3]

[1]: https://crooked.ink

[2]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12625876/how-to-detect-c...

[3]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36523448/how-do-i-tell-i...

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by cyberpanther »

cyberpanther wrote: post #243

OK I'm thinking you could write a simple extension that could add the header for every request and disable this everywhere effectively disabling FLoC. I am missing something or would this be really easy to hack and disable?

Looks like it's already there: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nofloc/egnfijfbeij...

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by heavyset_go »

kristopolous wrote: post #88
heavyset_go wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before Android killed them, webOS existed, as did Maemo.

Would you be willing to entertain that maybe they died because most people who used phones found those platforms to be weaker product offerings with the things they cared about and that your value system may have fundamentally differences? Would you further entertain that the inability to perceive such realities and differences and manufacturers inability to navigate these preferences is a major determinant of succes…

I take it you didn't use webOS. webOS had multitasking before iOS or Android did, and Android's multitasking implementation was taken directly from webOS' card-based multitasking. The interfaces are identical. It took Android something like 6-8 years to finally implement true multitasking that webOS had from the get-go.

webOS in 2009-2010 was unironically better than Android's been over the last decade.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by vineyardmike »

jefftk wrote: post #213
_Understated_ wrote: post #193

Ok, so let me see if I understand this correctly: I run a website with no trackers, no ads, nothing at all to do with Google or any other company in any way. You come along, with Google Chrome, and visit my site. Google adds the fact that you visited my site to their massive dataset (as well as who-knows-what-else) And to opt out of something I have never been asked to be involved with in any way, I need to contact G…

> I run a website with no trackers, no ads, nothing at all to do with Google or any other company in any way. Then your site will not be included in FLoC: "A page visit will be included in the browser's FLoC calculation if document.interestCohort() is used on the page. During the current FLoC origin trial, a page will also be included in the calculation if Chrome detects that the page load ads or ads-related resource…

> if Chrome detects that the page load ads or ads-related resources

how does it make this decision?

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by oedmarap »

gorhill wrote: post #168

> there is a workaround that involves adding `meta` tags to your pages themselves This does not work, `http-equiv` does not work for `Permissions-Policy`.[1] * * * [1] https://github.com/WICG/floc/pull/47#issuecomment-786966847

Thank you, I've been made aware of this and have amended the post to clarify that it's ineffective w.r.t. FLoC; for the technical reason that you mentioned.

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by spondyl »

jefftk wrote: post #240
whoopdedo wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "During the current FLoC origin trial" bit scares me though. Why should I assume the scope of implicit inclusion in FLoC won't be expanded in the future? I don't exactly trust this opt-out header. The spec makes it sound like it's not so much a request to the user agent not to use cohorts in general. Rather it's a security-in-depth measure to prevent third-party scripts or injected spyware from exploiting certai…

> That "During the current FLoC origin trial" bit scares me though. Why should I assume the scope of implicit inclusion in FLoC won't be expanded in the future? It's the other way around: it's saying that normally "a page visit will be included in the browser's FLoC calculation if document.interestCohort() is used on the page" but to support this specific origin trial it will also include pages "if Chrome detects tha…

Hi Jeff,

While I don't like ads, and so by association I blindly don't like FLoC or cookies, I've been following your comments via RSS out of interest and I'd like to say thanks for always popping up in these threads to untangle some of the misconceptions (from your point of view).

That doesn't necessarily mean that I, or others, trust what Google, as a business, might do tomorrow compared to what it says today but given how little the wider world tends to hear from Google (that isn't editorialised in some sense), it's nice to see Google employees engaging on Hacker News :)

Re: Opting Your Website Out of Google's FLoC Network

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Post by jefftk »

spondyl wrote: post #249
jefftk wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That "During the current FLoC origin trial" bit scares me though. Why should I assume the scope of implicit inclusion in FLoC won't be expanded in the future? It's the other way around: it's saying that normally "a page visit will be included in the browser's FLoC calculation if document.interestCohort() is used on the page" but to support this specific origin trial it will also include pages "if Chrome detects tha…

Hi Jeff, While I don't like ads, and so by association I blindly don't like FLoC or cookies, I've been following your comments via RSS out of interest and I'd like to say thanks for always popping up in these threads to untangle some of the misconceptions (from your point of view). That doesn't necessarily mean that I, or others, trust what Google, as a business, might do tomorrow compared to what it says today but g…

Thanks!
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