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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by winstonchecksin »

TomSwirly wrote: post #127
winstonchecksin wrote: post #6

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Who are "they"? I'm serious in this question. Do you have the idea that these demonstrations are somehow carefully organized and that BLM upper management gave the instructions to break your windows specifically? It is not the case. The police kill some Black American in some particularly awful or gratuitous way. It enrages a lot of people, as you would expect. Many…

“They” is BLM. These people held BLM signs. And I never heard or saw any BLM leader come out and condemn these terrorists. You know it’s really interesting that you post these mental gymnastics to shift the blame away from the criminals, trying to tell me, the victim, that I’m in the wrong.

Please go troll somewhere else.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by winstonchecksin »

tootahe45 wrote: post #12
winstonchecksin wrote: post #6

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

> I’m all for the message behind it > they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.

What research do I need to do? We paid to fix one of the vehicles out of pocket but had to file an insurance claim on the other, and our premiums went up because every window was smashed, including one of the mirrors.

This is a bad faith response, and I’m going to assume you’re a troll and not engage any further. Good luck!

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by mbg721 »

reaperducer wrote: post #47
pcf wrote: post #2

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article. Same link as in the title: https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-prevents-sharing-new-york-...

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article." And amazingly, there are Facebook employees on HN all the time who can't understand why people hate Facebook. I recently spent time with a couple of relatives who only get news from Facebook. I suspect there are mi…

But that isn't the reason for most of the Facebook hate, is it? I thought it was more "I just want my cousin's baby pictures, and you're spamming my feed with outrage porn." The people who actually want to use Facebook for news at all know the dumpster-fire they're going to get.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by driverdan »

AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #84
driverdan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think killing someone over smashing a window is reasonable you need to seek help immediately. Please talk go a mental health professional.

So at what time is it reasonable to apply force against a visibly aggressive person who is approaching your car yelling slurs?

Laws vary between areas but the general approach is that you can only respond to force with equal force. It's obviously more complex than that but that's what most laws are based on.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by rendall »

kebman wrote: post #125
schnevets wrote: post #8

My guess is a slew of "closely monitored" Facebook groups eagerly shared the article the moment it was posted and some machine intelligence auto-moderator immediately added it to a blacklist without any human oversight. The article itself is pretty even-keeled (although has that typical New York Post editorialized spin). The article mentions other, unaffiliated BLM groups have already demanded transparency to where C…

They can expect to be fined millions of Euros by a great many European countries if they illegally censor private conversations through their platform, due to European law on the matter. Many countries over here have free speech laws that aren't as gimped as the American Constitution (i.e. that it's limited to state institutions and not muh private company).

Europe doesn't have strong free speech laws so much as strong individual privacy laws.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by seattledev »

akvadrako wrote: post #119
commandlinefan wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> posting a link to the HN discussion Well... contentious stories get removed from here, too. This is a topic that gets contentious.

Such as? I assume you don't mean flagging, since those are not removed, just frozen.

There are occasions when submissions are entirely removed and don't even retain the title or URL. I know this because I use hckrnews.com as my HN front page

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by adamrezich »

kebman wrote: post #123

This is completely outrageous! I tried sharing the link in question in a private message on Facebook Messenger, but the recipient was unable to see it, and instead got a censorship warning. In my country such censorship is illegal, per Norwegian Constitution §100, fourth sentence: “Pre-censorship and other preventive measures cannot be used unless it is needed to protect children and young people from the harmful eff…

American corporations—once they reach a certain size—do not act with respect to anything resembling supposedly American values. they often seem to exist entirely outside of government overwatch.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by akvadrako »

seattledev wrote: post #147
akvadrako wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as? I assume you don't mean flagging, since those are not removed, just frozen.

There are occasions when submissions are entirely removed and don't even retain the title or URL. I know this because I use hckrnews.com as my HN front page

Yes, I do too. But can you give an example of something that was removed which wasn't garbage?

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by kebman »

tartoran wrote: post #132
kebman wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter how many priors you have. Even here in Norway - where you're barely allowed to look at a gun - if some random person points an AK47 at you, then you're allowed to defend yourself with a "reasonable response". Tell me, what do you consider a "reasonable response" to being threatened with an AK47? Yeah, that's what I thought! Hell, it doesn't even matter if you're in a car or not. Or would you be ok with…

There is no evidence pointing the victim pointed the gun at the suspect. At the moment you choose to take their word which indicates your bias. I lean on the victim’s side though I respect your right to believe what you want.

> At the moment you choose to take their word which indicates your bias.

No, not really. I'm talking about principles.

If a guy acts threatening towards you, then you're allowed to defend yourself.

If a guy holds a gun, and throws aggressive slurs at you while approaching, do you agree that it's a really threatening thing to do? Would you wait for the obviously threatening guy to raise his gun, or just shoot him before he ever gets to that point?

> There is no evidence pointing the victim pointed the gun at the suspect.

Is there evidence that he didn't?

Honestly, does it even matter? When some guy starts acting threatening while holding a gun, are you going to wait until he points it at you before defending yourself? Cuz you won't get a second chance, mate. You either make him a "victim" of your right to self defene, or you die. I'd rather survive to spend some time in jail, or die because of poorly thought out ideas about victimhood.

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