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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 5:42 AM UTC

bingbong70 wrote: post #112

weeweww32 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FBI crime statistics (13% of the population 57% of the violent crime) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

And according to exoneration data, innocent African American suspects are: - 7 times more likely to be falsely convicted of murder than innocent white suspects. - 3.5 times more likely ... for sexual assaults. 7x & 3.5x are lowballs since I expect only a relatively small % can actually afford to prove their innocence. Conclusion: Good luck getting accurate crime stats from some of the most historically racist institu…

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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 6:23 AM UTC

pcf wrote: post #117

Why is this post "flagged" by Hacker News? The post links to a neutral news story by Newsweek, which is a very reputable source. So what could be problematic about that article? I fear that Hacker News might have a bias which makes them censor posts, exactly like Facebook does in this specific case. I don't want this to be true, but I can't think of any other reasons.

Users, especially those able to flag (meaning somewhat "senior" users, not sure about the exact karma threshold), are often annoyed, because the nature of the discussions some topics provoke are foreseeable and mostly questionable.

"Great, this will lead to half the comments discussing BLM in a questionable and highly politicized manner on hacker(!) news ; this will surely be productive ... /s"

Political and sociological stuff is sometimes here on HN (and technology often overlaps, so they might be relevant of course), but especially those topics that have little chance of inviting meaningful discussion are questionable and might get flagged.

I consider "flagging" part of how this site works, and a meaningful feature. Right to free speech is not the "right to be listened to or read by others." HN also isn't Facebook, or Instagram (size, societal influence, scope in topics which are discussed) and you can still read it, upvote it, and comment on it even though it's been flagged. So I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. Posts about the banning practices of Social Media (be it Facebook, Youtube, Twitter or other platforms) are regularly featured on HN.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by kebman » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:10 AM UTC

This is completely outrageous! I tried sharing the link in question in a private message on Facebook Messenger, but the recipient was unable to see it, and instead got a censorship warning.

In my country such censorship is illegal, per Norwegian Constitution §100, fourth sentence: “Pre-censorship and other preventive measures cannot be used unless it is needed to protect children and young people from the harmful effects of live images (we're both grown ups). Censorship of letters (messages on Facebook?) cannot be implemented, unless performed by a caretaking institution (jails, mental hospitals, etc).”

Who would think that an American company would resort to such invasive, blatant and not least illegal censorship!

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by kebman » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:20 AM UTC

pcf wrote: post #2

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article. Same link as in the title: https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-prevents-sharing-new-york-...

This is completely outrageous. It's clearly illegal in my country per Norwegian Constitution §100, and I suspect it's illegal in quite a few other European countries too, wherever they have a working defence for freedom of speech, and not least presumably private conversations. (Because it's not so private anymore once third parties interfere in what you're allowed to share among grown ups.)

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by kebman » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:24 AM UTC

schnevets wrote: post #8

My guess is a slew of "closely monitored" Facebook groups eagerly shared the article the moment it was posted and some machine intelligence auto-moderator immediately added it to a blacklist without any human oversight. The article itself is pretty even-keeled (although has that typical New York Post editorialized spin). The article mentions other, unaffiliated BLM groups have already demanded transparency to where C…

They can expect to be fined millions of Euros by a great many European countries if they illegally censor private conversations through their platform, due to European law on the matter. Many countries over here have free speech laws that aren't as gimped as the American Constitution (i.e. that it's limited to state institutions and not muh private company).

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by kebman » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 7:34 AM UTC

tartoran wrote: post #108

barbacoa wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are in a car and are attack you have the same self defense rights as if you were at your house. Something similar happened at a BLM protest in texas with predictable results. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12239517/garrett-foster-black-...

So you could conveniently drive around in a bubble of ‘right to self defense’ This guy you’re referencing here had a violent past and it’s possible that he was looking for confrontation. Believe what you may but a young man is no longer with us. I don’t buy this self defense blanket

Doesn't matter how many priors you have. Even here in Norway - where you're barely allowed to look at a gun - if some random person points an AK47 at you, then you're allowed to defend yourself with a "reasonable response". Tell me, what do you consider a "reasonable response" to being threatened with an AK47? Yeah, that's what I thought!

Hell, it doesn't even matter if you're in a car or not. Or would you be ok with someone randomly pointing an AK47 at you? Would you refrain from using deadly force against someone like that, just because you had priors?

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by TomSwirly » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:00 AM UTC

winstonchecksin wrote: post #6

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows

Who are "they"? I'm serious in this question.

Do you have the idea that these demonstrations are somehow carefully organized and that BLM upper management gave the instructions to break your windows specifically?

It is not the case.

The police kill some Black American in some particularly awful or gratuitous way.

It enrages a lot of people, as you would expect.

Many angry people take to the streets. They are not organized, for the most part. The vast majority are completely peaceful. Some of them aren't as is always the case.

Some of them hold signs saying, "Black Lives Matter".

Someone broke your window during these demonstrations. If I had to bet, it would be some young, angry person. Black Lives Matter did not make this happen, and if they didn't exist, people would still take to the streets when one of their own is murdered publicly by the authorities.

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There is no "they" there. I recommend a broader and more nuanced view of the situation.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by TomSwirly » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:02 AM UTC

smabie wrote: post #31

nvr219 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Winston, I want to know something: when cops murder somebody do you make a comment about it on hn or social media or anywhere, or do you only make comments when car windows get smashed?

I mean it's pretty logical for a person to care more about themselves and their property than anything else.

> themselves and their property

No, these two things are actually not the same at all.

I would fight to the death rather than be killed. But I'd give up my wallet and not worry about it.

Human lives are more important than property. Human lives are more important than property. Why this is constantly up for debate baffles me.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by himujjal » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #71

I’m sure the 535 million people who recently had their personal information leaked by Facebook - the ones Facebook didn’t even bother to notify - will be glad to hear about Facebook’s strong stance against the sharing of personally identifying information.

lol. that was good!

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by himujjal » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote: post #122

pcf wrote: post #117

Why is this post "flagged" by Hacker News? The post links to a neutral news story by Newsweek, which is a very reputable source. So what could be problematic about that article? I fear that Hacker News might have a bias which makes them censor posts, exactly like Facebook does in this specific case. I don't want this to be true, but I can't think of any other reasons.

Users, especially those able to flag (meaning somewhat "senior" users, not sure about the exact karma threshold), are often annoyed, because the nature of the discussions some topics provoke are foreseeable and mostly questionable. "Great, this will lead to half the comments discussing BLM in a questionable and highly politicized manner on hacker(!) news ; this will surely be productive ... /s" Political and sociolog…

HN regularly posts non-tech related stuffs. Specially during the last US elections. And don't even ban/flag it if it supports on spectrum.