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Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by shawnz »

jk7tarYZAQNpTQa wrote: post #117
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #32

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Come on, don't use the word clean with regards to diet. It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing. Is it no sugar, no salt, no meat, no gc organisms, no alcohol no processed, low carb, high carb? Clean is a word that suggests Instagram influencers. Clean does not mean bland or not bland, whole foods or not. It's a meaningless word like good, healthy, natural.

> It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing It's neither bs nor meaningless. It intuitively describes a good diet if you have a basic knowledge of food and diet. It basically means "what is good for you". What would you describe as "clean", deep fried butter or broccoli sprouts? See how it's intuitive?

"what is good for you" is a completely tautological way of defining "a good diet". How can you say you are not just reinforcing your own presuppositions?

The only intuitive difference I see in those scenarios is that one has less calories and less fat (which are obviously both essential components of any diet).

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by keymone »

nabla9 wrote: post #111
legerdemain wrote: post #7

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Inflammation is a basic life process, not a reaction to the food you eat. Inflammation plays an active part in wound-healing. Teething in infants has an inflammatory component. Systemic inflammation is ubiquitous during and following parturition in mammals. There is inflammation everywhere, it's as generic a word as "oxidation" and "metabolism."

Inflammation is immune system response. Nothing to do with metabolism or oxidation.

You’re wrong, insulin is inflammatory hormone, google it.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by virtuallynathan »

asadkn wrote: post #14

Most people talk food when inflammation is mentioned. But let's not forget, arguably, an even bigger contributor: stress - mental or physical, say via a chronic illness. Relevant: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5476783/#s2titl...

The mechanism may be via the gut, stress increases intestinal permeability.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by kossTKR »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #32
kossTKR wrote: post #8

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Same here. It's the closest thing to an actual wonder drug i have ever come across. My skin clears up, brainfog disappears, the white in my eyes get brighter, etc. After reading a bit i have come to the same conclusion - if your diet is already extremely clean / bland, maybe you won't get the same effect, but for most people that eats lots of different foods, processed stuff, fast food, alcohol, harsh additives, frie…

Come on, don't use the word clean with regards to diet. It's a bs and meaningless word that specifies nothing. Is it no sugar, no salt, no meat, no gc organisms, no alcohol no processed, low carb, high carb? Clean is a word that suggests Instagram influencers. Clean does not mean bland or not bland, whole foods or not. It's a meaningless word like good, healthy, natural.

That's definately not true, also what's up with the hostile tone?

"Clean" is pretty well understood as what's left after you finish an elimination diet.

As i just described it can be different for different people but in general, super high fat, super high carbohydrate, meals that are too large or too frequent, too much alcohol, lots of additives, lots of candy or cake, too many heavy metals from fish, too much fried food, too much low quality processed foods including cheap oils that has gone semi rancid, corn syrup, various carcinogens are all agreed upon across various a large spectrum of diets from Vegan to Paleo including nutrition research.

It probably also depends on ones own gut flora.

Pausing eating or just eating a pretty bland diet without above "luxuries" and you definitely get less of these things, that's partly why fasting works for a lot of people.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by ibigb »

I found this interview very germane to the subject of extra inflammation from the diet and the newly discovered cellular mechanisms for turning it off. Some of the latest research from a few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXm28_2ctpU "23 Years in the Zone: Journalist and Author Gary Taubes Interviews Dr. Barry Sears"

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by nabla9 »

keymone wrote: post #132
nabla9 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inflammation is immune system response. Nothing to do with metabolism or oxidation.

You’re wrong, insulin is inflammatory hormone, google it.

Googling ...

Result: Insulin is anti-inflammatory and antiatherosclerotic hormone.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by hanniabu »

treeman79 wrote: post #64
UncleOxidant wrote: post #34

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Not the OP, but I'm going to guess that it's because sweet potatoes have pretty high nutritional content such that you can survive by only eating them for some time without developing deficiencies.

It’s because it was literally the only food I knew that didn’t bother me. Look at AIP diet for a better plan. But this was something I could follow when I was barely able to get out of bed. Boiled or microwaved. Always plain. I Felt a lot better afterwards.

FYI the AIP diet says to avoid vegetables in the nightshade family, which includes potatoes.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by perl4ever »

fao_ wrote: post #47
perl4ever wrote: post #46

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>currently the most accurate way to measure aging I don't understand what people mean by statements like this. Per the Wiki page, they found something that on average is highly correlated to chronological age. But in individual cases, it may be off a little or a lot. What tells you this is meaningful information and not random noise? What is the reference point for the "real" age that is not chronological age?

> But in individual cases, it may be off a little or a lot. What tells you this is meaningful information and not random noise? Because it was more accurate than other data sources we've tried

It appears to me to be "more accurate" because they have defined the discrepancies as more accurate. Why not just define them as inaccuracy?

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by keymone »

nabla9 wrote: post #136
keymone wrote: post #132

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You’re wrong, insulin is inflammatory hormone, google it.

Googling ... Result: Insulin is anti-inflammatory and antiatherosclerotic hormone.

Ok, this is dumb, I meant to say there is connection between insulin and inflammatory processes (hence it is definitely connected to metabolism), insulin itself has anti-inflammatory effect, but insulin resistance and chronic inflammation are also linked. And I managed to say something completely opposite. Sorry.

Re: Inflammation, but Not Telomere Length, Predicts Ageing at Extreme Old Age

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Post by UncleOxidant »

hanniabu wrote: post #137
treeman79 wrote: post #64

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It’s because it was literally the only food I knew that didn’t bother me. Look at AIP diet for a better plan. But this was something I could follow when I was barely able to get out of bed. Boiled or microwaved. Always plain. I Felt a lot better afterwards.

FYI the AIP diet says to avoid vegetables in the nightshade family, which includes potatoes.

Sweet potatoes are not in the nightshade family.
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