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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by nsxwolf »

FroshKiller wrote: post #20
misnome wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, very silent. We ordered a replacement for my old work machine and only realised that limitation after - too slow to stop the purchase order. We’ve ordered an ultrawide monitor to compensate. I feel the “Pro” label is somewhat misleading, and has definitely damaged my trust further.

The specs page for the Pro on Apple's site was up front about this and still is. Check it out here: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Scroll down to Video Support and see: "One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz." When I was making a buying decision back in November, the limited external display support came up in every analysis & review I read. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, bu…

A lot of people missed it. No one expects features to be removed from the latest and greatest model.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

kelchm wrote: post #17
edgan wrote: post #16

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I think you mean Thunderbolt not USB-C. Thunderbolt ties into the GPU, but USB-C doesn't.

USB-C is simply the connector format -- which can then be used as either USB 4 or Thunderbolt 3. The highest speed USB 4 devices are effectively the same as Thunderbolt 3 from what I understand. I really do sympathize with any consumer who has to try to make sense of what a given port is actually capable of these days.

The Chuwi Hi10x is a nice enough Windows tablet - sort of a cheap and cheerful Surface, but really a grandkid of the Asus T100.

It is powered with a 12V, 2A charger via one USB C port (and just one of the existing two). But try to use a standard USB-C PD charger, and nothing happens. However it does charge with a plain 12V charger, sporting a USB C jack, that does not require PD negotiation ...

I'm coming to think that having one connector for everything may not be easy ...

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by vetinari »

throw14082020 wrote: post #9
bhouston wrote: post #5

I am using a MacMini M1 as my main development machine specifically to get around the single monitor limitation of the first gen M1 laptops. It is cheaper than a MacBook Pro as well, so it is a win all around. Edit: I do use one HDMI and one display port (from a USB c connector.) I drive both 4K monitors at a full 60hz. It is beautiful.

Its not a real win because you're using 1 HDMI, 1 usb-c display. The HDMI display is limited (low framerate, bad integration with the display). At best i call it a workaround

It is HDMI 2.0, so no problem for 4k@60.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by vetinari »

f6v wrote: post #15

M1 is such a smooth ride. I didn’t expect everything would just work. I use R and Python for computational biology and didn’t have a single issue with installing packages.

Did you try pandas? Anything that requires cffi?

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by hpoe »

Nextgrid wrote: post #11
clashmoore wrote: post #2

As mentioned in the epilogue regarding single monitors, I feel that Apple was a little too silent regarding that limitation. It also caught me off guard especially as I purchased the LG 4K thunderbolt/usb-c monitors from the Apple website with the hope of connecting everything via daisy chain. I haven’t yet definitively found a DisplayLink hub that can output its video via thunderbolt and/or USB-C so whenever I see a…

If your objective is to use two monitors side by side, couldn't you find a device that presents itself as an ultra-wide monitor (combined width of both monitors) and allows you to connect two monitors on the other end?

Couldn't the newest generation of a device not remove what are considered standard features from their device especially when it costs more than anything on the market and it's big selling point is that it "just works"?

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by FroshKiller »

nsxwolf wrote: post #31
FroshKiller wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specs page for the Pro on Apple's site was up front about this and still is. Check it out here: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Scroll down to Video Support and see: "One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz." When I was making a buying decision back in November, the limited external display support came up in every analysis & review I read. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, bu…

A lot of people missed it. No one expects features to be removed from the latest and greatest model.

No one expects a brand-new hardware platform to have different capabilities from other devices in its class?

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by dijit »

wslh wrote: post #30
Closi wrote: post #4

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Agreed, as an M1 user and usual multi monitor user this is a big limitation! Realistically I’ll look at investing in an ultra wide soon to offer similar screen real estate. We also have a Lenovo laptop that we bought two of for our admin staff in our office to only find out afterwards multi monitor support was missing (despite having enough ports for it)... it’s a shame that this isn’t considered standard.

That is why I think Dell XPS 13 is top: three external monitors via a Thunderbolt TB16 and a desktop experience only plugging a single cable. This is not to say that the XPS 13 is perfect (need to change battery every two years in all the notebooks at the office and the notebook gets hot) but the notebook is great in many other factors.

FWIW (and, anecdotally); my company just started rolling out XPS 13's and had to stop as they are overheating constantly.

Instead, people are going to be getting latitudes.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by vetinari »

ryukafalz wrote: post #25
bhouston wrote: post #19

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I am confused generally. My old Dell xps 13 didn’t have thunderbolt but I could still use the exact same USB c to display port cable that I used on my Mac mini. I am unsure if you need thunderbolt specifically to use USB c to display port cables. It seems you do not need thunderbolt but I am not an expert.

> I am unsure if you need thunderbolt specifically to use USB c to display port cables. It seems you do not need thunderbolt but I am not an expert. Correct, you do not need Thunderbolt for this. Most laptops with USB-C support something called DisplayPort Alt Mode, which is essentially DisplayPort over the type-C connector; I'd imagine that's what those cables are doing. Now, if you have a Thunderbolt display specif…

If you are using USB-C in alternate mode, it means that you forego everything else: with USB-C cable, you can basically use USB2, power delivery and (USB3 or alternate mode) at the same time.

Funny things happen when the alternate mode is Thunderbolt. It allows to tunnel DisplayPort and USB3 traffic, so when you are using TB alt mode, you still have usable DP and USB3, not USB-C natively, but packetized inside TB3 traffic.

For 2x20 GBit TB3 traffic, you need much better cable than what the average USB3/USB-C cable can handle (that's the reason why they are sold as TB cables); if it is anything above 0.5m, it is usually active one. And to make things even more interesting, there are USB-C cables than cannot handle even USB3/alt modes... so it is important to check the specs, not only price tag.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by numpad0 »

FroshKiller wrote: post #36
nsxwolf wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people missed it. No one expects features to be removed from the latest and greatest model.

No one expects a brand-new hardware platform to have different capabilities from other devices in its class?

A lot of people weren’t aware that multiple displays through single DisplayPort connector is hardware, not software, capability

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by wayneftw »

Every time I read one of these reviews it makes me so glad to be using a desktop PC with Manjaro. Things I need to do just all work for me, no surprise limitations, no worrying about how long an irreplaceable battery or SSD will last and no constant battle with some corporation over who controls my computer.

I don't get people who would want to optimize for working on a train or a plane or in a meeting either. My desktop is in a quiet room where I do work stuff and I easily get more compute per dollar too.

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