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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by pvg »

throwawaysea wrote: post #55
pvg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was the president of the United States, under 24/7 protection then and for the rest of his life. Most people, even fairly notable ones, don't have that luxury. Tabloids publish potentially harmful information with reasonable frequency and FB refusing to republish a tabloid piece is not a meaningful impediment to the dissemination of ideas.

You're using speculation and a one-sided determination about publicly available information being harmful to justify censorship. It is completely unreasonable for an organization as large, influential, and powerful as Facebook (or Twitter) to censor ideas from one half of the country due to the biases of their employees and leaders. And yes, it is a meaningful impediment to dissemination of ideas since virtually all…

I'm not 'using speculation', I'm simply pointing out the analogy you're making is flawed and not very, you know, analogous.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by Animats »

temp0826 wrote: post #58

I guess I am further out of the loop than I thought (and imagine I'll get reemed for this comment), but I thought BLM was a movement (with dubious Russian propagandic origins designed to fuel divisiveness, but turned mostly noble), not an organization. How did this org even come to be? I'd love to read an actual timeline or history of this all.

There seem to be multiple Black Lives Matter organizations, going in various directions. Wikipedia tries to sort this out.[1]

Occupy Wall Street tried to do that, but they were so disorganized to accomplish much directly. They did, though, firmly establish "the 1%" meme.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by Daho0n »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #21
winstonchecksin wrote: post #6

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter. Everyone is also fine with the peaceful protesting (I mean actual peaceful protesting, not CNN's meaning of peaceful, which already became a meme). Whoever seek to loot, destroy and coerce people into stupid acts needs to be condemned. BLM leaders didn't condemn the violence, which make the BLM movement just a bunch of terrorists, same as Antifa. It doesn…

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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by Fogest »

nefitty wrote: post #39

I’m confused. Are Marxists not supposed to be rich or own property? What would an ideal Marxist do with their wealth, donate it?

Isn't part of the problem here that a lot of the BLM donation money has gone to fund stuff like buying their big property? There have also been other scandals regarding misuse of the donation money and it has made many regional BLM groups call to question where the money is going. There is very little accountability and transparency yet we have large companies like Amazon feeding them money via donations.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by josephcsible »

neolog wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the sharing of public information of public figures is in the public interest. Also, doxxing isn’t illegal, although harassment is.

> doxxing isn’t illegal It is against Facebook's rules.

The problem is that Facebook selectively enforces these rules.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by rscoots »

dragonwriter wrote: post #48
rayiner wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The identity of house buyers is a matter of public record. Not only is it searchable in multiple state databases (tax, real estate plats) but sale information including buyer and seller is typically published in the newspaper: https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/sc-cons-0903-hous... > The information about your home purchase and the terms and conditions of your mortgage loan are recorded among the land records…

> The identity of house buyers is a matter of public record. That…has no bearing on whether sharing it violates Facebook policy on “privacy and personal information”. What would have a bearing would be citing the language of the policy and showing how the action was inconsistent with it, and I suspect that is not happening because the action is, in fact, consistent with the policy.

Yes, facebook is known for its strong stances regarding "privacy and personal information"

What's glaring is that there's not even a veneer of consistency in this decision. Will they now be going back and censoring all articles that could lead to someone's residence? All future articles?

Of course they won't. They're content to be self-evidently biased on this point. As a liberal this troubles me.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by scelerat »

I first learned this story because it was front-page news on Breitbart and quickly becoming a flashpoint for commentary and erm, "thoughtful analysis"

Maybe it got flagged because of factor such as who was sharing it and how it was being commented on? I have no idea how or what any of their moderation tools work, but if one of the flags is "popular with extremist disinformation sites," perhaps that was the trigger?

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by jeofken »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #21
winstonchecksin wrote: post #6

We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.

Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter. Everyone is also fine with the peaceful protesting (I mean actual peaceful protesting, not CNN's meaning of peaceful, which already became a meme). Whoever seek to loot, destroy and coerce people into stupid acts needs to be condemned. BLM leaders didn't condemn the violence, which make the BLM movement just a bunch of terrorists, same as Antifa. It doesn…

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Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by jasonfarnon »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #4
pcf wrote: post #2

On Facebook, you now can't post the link to this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse... FB will also prevent you from posting the Newsweek article which describes how the platform is blocking the New York Post article. Same link as in the title: https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-prevents-sharing-new-york-...

Yes, but will they prevent you from posting a link to the HN discussion of the Newsweek article about them blocking the NY Post article? Is it possible that Facebook is a big enough share of the internet that they can block the Streisand Effect? My money is on "no".

Maybe the Streisand effect is imaginary. Ie you don't know how many stories are successfully suppressed. Just bc barbara streisand bungled concealing something, doesn't mean something as sophisticated as fb, decades later, is as inept. Of course I'd like to think the Streisand effect is real, but I don't think we have any data.

Re: Facebook prevents sharing New York Post story on BLM co-founder's real estate

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Post by greyscale_5 »

rayiner wrote: post #13
Barrin92 wrote: post #7

>A Facebook spokesperson told Newsweek, "This content was removed for violating our privacy and personal information policy." The policy forbids articles that share details that could identify a person's financial and residential information, thus violating their privacy rights. That seems like a pretty flimsy excuse given that I see stories about individuals of public interest buying expensive property on Facebook a…

The identity of house buyers is a matter of public record. Not only is it searchable in multiple state databases (tax, real estate plats) but sale information including buyer and seller is typically published in the newspaper: https://www.chicagotribune.com/real-estate/sc-cons-0903-hous... > The information about your home purchase and the terms and conditions of your mortgage loan are recorded among the land records…

This is true! I assume you have no objection to me posting yours here?
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