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Google earns money with advertising. They also do some kick-ass CS research, but that’s not what makes the money. In fact, ad sales fund Google’s research.
> They also do some kick-ass CS research, but that’s not what makes the money. Yeah, that's kind of known.
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Okay, let me rephrase this: The current strategy is great for individual researchers - when they become successfull they can get a great $400k/year job in the US. It sucks for the europeans who paid for them to get there though.
Funny enough, the way Germany’s Max-Planck Society is successful in hiring top US scientists not through outrageous salaries, but by offering them guaranteed, generous research budget in perpetuity. Not all researchers care about getting rich personally.
While president of Harvard, he was recruited to run the National Defense Research Committee which gave him authority during the war to pour massive funding into key Universities (most notably MIT and UC Berkeley, but numerous others as well) turning them into government research labs just as companies were turned into government armament manufacturers. Oh yeah, the NDRC oversaw the Manhattan project as well.
After the war he continued and expanded this program as part of the Cold War effort. You can see this at the major research labs today: MIT, for example, is barely a "University" in the educational sense; it's really a large, mainly government-funded research institution (like the European ones) with a small school bolted onto the side. Education is less than 15% of its budget.
Conant also promulgated the SAT BTW; his buddy developed it and also made a fortune on training people and running the test. The usual OB network.
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Have you heard of Bell Labs?
> Have you heard of Bell Labs? While I would tend to agree that private funding for research is way better in the US, Bell Labs is not necessarily a good example. True, the tech. output of the outfit was amazing, but they had massive govt support (among other things, they were given an official monopoly by the USG).
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I don’t know why anyone should believe you. Can you source some concrete facts if any? This is a provocative comment ready to start flame wars. Please tell specifics and not paint broad brushstrokes to flame the fires. I’m sorry to flag your comment. Edit: One source we can look at the awards given to fundamental research. They’re overwhelmingly US-based. Fields, Nobel, Turing, etc. This contradicts the popular gener…
Someone having positive opinion of non American is not starting flamewar. Overreaction to it is. Threatening to flag it just because you disagree, or because someone having positive opinion of something in eu hurts you feeling is absurd.
I’d say, the entire article is flamewar prone. How can you say something is best?
What a vacuous article; even for one that actually takes a look at the history -- the "how did this come about?" It's as if it's been blanched, and the result taken as all there is to know---a skin-deep truth. The U.S does not have "the best research universities," it simply has the most "prestigious ones," that continue to survive and thrive due to centuries of compounding network effects (and a little of help from…
Yoda you have watched lately?
SCNR
How about the following articles from Nature that paint a differnt picture instead of that assumption?
[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03318-w [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01922-z
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Funny enough, the way Germany’s Max-Planck Society is successful in hiring top US scientists not through outrageous salaries, but by offering them guaranteed, generous research budget in perpetuity. Not all researchers care about getting rich personally.
Karl Marx would be so proud of you.
It just means the one has little to do with the other. Orthogonal.
I know excellent scientists who are rich and equally excellent ones who are poor. I also know some intellectually less well endowed folks who are crazy rich.
Money and research success have little to do with each other. All I’m saying.
Research focus in US and EU seems a bit different. Europe produces a lot of high quality science. Research in US is on the other hand increasingly application-focused (something that EU is not very good at). This is my observation as a former researcher who has experience in both regions; I don’t have references. It’s partly driven by culture, and economic system. The strong public system in Europe supports longer te…
I've noticed EU CS grads are on average much stronger scientifically than US ones. With notable exceptions, the typical US undergraduate curriculum is more of a trade school. That’s fine of course, but definitely not the skillset needed for novel research or even properly applying recent research. Edit: Apparently I’ve struck a nerve. But this has been my experience working and hiring at two of the FAANGs. The teams…
My experience is the following: I’m an European grad but did my PhD in the USA . In Europe tests were brutal and you had no help whatsoever from the professors. Your grade in a course was 80%-100% a single final test and lots of people would fail. Also, professors would not restraint criticism toward students.
In USA students seldom fail, grades are inflated in most universities and they not only depend on tests but also on homework and a variety of activities. They also spend lots of time doing extra activities and “leadership” stuff and learning how to self promote.
That being said, I feel that American students end up being much more driven and optimistic and many of them end up trying and succeeding at doing new things.
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Look at university research labs, and see where they get their funding from. Companies tend to fund applied research. Funding in Europe, whether academic or industry motivated, is simply lacking across all scientific, engineering, and social science disciplines.
You seriously think that university research in the US is largely funded or driven by companies? This is utterly wrong. *Edit*. The question is why the united states has the "best research universities". That is a very general-level question and the Parent made a very general, and very wrong, claim in response. Regardless of whether some specific fields might have more industrial funding than others, it's easy to goo…
Slow down there bud. Where did I say that?
Unless you’re talking about AI/ML, then yes, university labs receive more from companies, than government funding agencies.