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Exception:INRIA.
> Exception:INRIA. Name one successful (as in: >1G$ cap) company started by INRIA researchers.
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> Exception:INRIA. Name one successful (as in: >1G$ cap) company started by INRIA researchers.
I thought the question was about research strength, not money-making strength. Although capitalisation is not really about making money rather than promising to make money later. Pretty much orthogonal to the aim of research.
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> Exception:INRIA. Name one successful (as in: >1G$ cap) company started by INRIA researchers.
I thought the question was about research strength, not money-making strength. Although capitalisation is not really about making money rather than promising to make money later. Pretty much orthogonal to the aim of research.
You won't have money for fundamental research if you don't have a huge focus, as a research institute, on economic output.
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I thought the question was about research strength, not money-making strength. Although capitalisation is not really about making money rather than promising to make money later. Pretty much orthogonal to the aim of research.
In CS it's kind of combined.
With research I refer to fundamental CS research, not how to squeeze 0.00053% more out of imagenet or making photos of young people look old, or solving problems of logistics in driver scheduling.
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Whereas in Europe university driven innovations are often placed in the public domain, especially in France. What is better for society? Depends on the viewpoint I guess.
Now pause to think about how e.g. France has made the EU spend many, many billions to create a search engine that can replace Google? (Unlikely.)
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In CS it's kind of combined.
Hm. One can do awesome CS research without having to make tons of money. One can also make money with other people’s/universities’/countries’ CS research while doing zero CS research in-house. Research and money making are pretty much orthogonal. With research I refer to fundamental CS research, not how to squeeze 0.00053% more out of imagenet or making photos of young people look old, or solving problems of logistic…
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Now pause to think about how e.g. France has made the EU spend many, many billions to create a search engine that can replace Google? (Unlikely.)
Google earns money with advertising. They also do some kick-ass CS research, but that’s not what makes the money. In fact, ad sales fund Google’s research.
Yeah, that's kind of known.
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I thought the question was about research strength, not money-making strength. Although capitalisation is not really about making money rather than promising to make money later. Pretty much orthogonal to the aim of research.
You've just elucidated all that is wrong with EU research. You won't have money for fundamental research if you don't have a huge focus, as a research institute, on economic output.
I know both sides, EU and US approaches to research and research funding, and I think both have their strengths and weaknesses. But either way I think measuring research performance by the amount of money made is the wrong measure.
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Hm. One can do awesome CS research without having to make tons of money. One can also make money with other people’s/universities’/countries’ CS research while doing zero CS research in-house. Research and money making are pretty much orthogonal. With research I refer to fundamental CS research, not how to squeeze 0.00053% more out of imagenet or making photos of young people look old, or solving problems of logistic…
Okay, let me rephrase this: The current strategy is great for individual researchers - when they become successfull they can get a great $400k/year job in the US. It sucks for the europeans who paid for them to get there though.
Lets not fool ourselves. First and foremost the money is here and the business environment (capitalism) is the most favorable than any other region of the world.
Having studied and worked in universities in the US, France, Russia, the UK, and Japan, this is closest to my experience. US universities like Harvard have a ton of money that they can throw around in order to get the best researchers. The one downside for professors is that since students are often paying so much, they expect a better teaching experience, meaning more lectures, more office hours, more feedback, etc.…