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Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by igitur »

Jtsummers wrote: post #31
ashton314 wrote: post #27

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that a…

The markdown formatting doesn't even work consistently. Some days things show up bold, some days they don't, some days I get inline code, some days I don't. It's very random and seems to be based on my typing speed at the time. That is, type ` and then wait a moment before typing the next bit and it works more reliably, but if I type like normal (around 100 wpm) it rarely registers properly.

I'm now in the habit of typing the opening backtick, ctrl+shift+v to paste some line of code, then having to WAIT a second or 2 and then type the second backtick. That usually formats it correctly. But I'm also very quick on the backspace and retyping the closing backtick, which is sometimes necessary.

Starting a new chat with someone in your organisation that you haven't chatted to is also annoyingly slow. This one I keep forgetting. So I search their name in the search bar, choose the hit from the dropdown and immediately start typing, only to notice that my initials 10 keystrokes didn't register, because the new chat was still initialising.

I'm curious, do you touch type? I'm also at about 100wpm, but only thanks to learning to touch type.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by denysvitali »

ashton314 wrote: post #27

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that a…

If you want to get partially read of the Teams UX / UI, check my project. I'm working on providing a Teams library and a Teams CLI:

https://github.com/fossteams/teams-cli

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by denysvitali »

I'll post it here in the hope of getting more project exposure: I'm working on a Teams library and Teams CLI written in Go and I'm looking for contributors.

Feel free to check out the project, together we can solve this Teams problem!

https://github.com/fossteams/teams-cli

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by fuzzy2 »

ashton314 wrote: post #27

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that a…

On code blocks, you can have syntax highlighting. However, inserting them is a pain and you have to manually select the language.

Ich course, everything still sucks, yes.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by filmor »

ashton314 wrote: post #27

Recently had to start using MS Teams at work. What a terrible UX: truncated message widths, even for code. No syntax highlighting, markdown-ish syntax only works when you type it in their little editor—when you paste it in it doesn't format, isn't smart enough to auto-start a new message when I start typing, hides bottom of message—even when there's only one line left, etc. Just a bunch of little stupid things that a…

There is syntax highlighting, just takes a few clicks as it's hidden in a sub-menu ("code snippet").

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by obiwanpallav1 »

denysvitali wrote: post #53

I'll post it here in the hope of getting more project exposure: I'm working on a Teams library and Teams CLI written in Go and I'm looking for contributors. Feel free to check out the project, together we can solve this Teams problem! https://github.com/fossteams/teams-cli

This definitely looks great!

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by mannerheim »

blendergeek wrote: post #46
baby wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good would that do?

It would remind the community that Freedom(R) is very important. I think the least they could do is release it under the AGPLv3. That license is accepted by the Free Software community while being universally rejected by business as toxic and dangerous. No business will pick up the bridge and use it, while Free Software people can still use it for their own purposes (whatever those might be).

It's a bridge to a proprietary service. Free software adherents don't have MS Teams subscriptions, and those with MS Teams subscriptions aren't going to care about the bridge being proprietary.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by Ruthalas »

MattJ100 wrote: post #50
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC is great, but it most certainly is not at feature parity. XMPP works iff everyone has the right set of extensions, which can work but often doesn't. Email doesn't even solve the same problem (real-time multiuser chat).

I think "works iff" is slightly inaccurate here, and "different sets of extensions" thing is overblown (not by you personally, but in general discussions like these). The big problem is actually the opposite: that XMPP continues to work when both parties support different levels of the protocol. Many modern XMPP clients are comparable in features to Matrix clients, but many people still reach for e.g. Pidgin and Adiu…

Can you suggest a well maintained xmpp client? I was partial to pidgin years ago.

Re: Element Matrix Services Launches Bridging for Microsoft Teams

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Post by MattJ100 »

Ruthalas wrote: post #58
MattJ100 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "works iff" is slightly inaccurate here, and "different sets of extensions" thing is overblown (not by you personally, but in general discussions like these). The big problem is actually the opposite: that XMPP continues to work when both parties support different levels of the protocol. Many modern XMPP clients are comparable in features to Matrix clients, but many people still reach for e.g. Pidgin and Adiu…

Can you suggest a well maintained xmpp client? I was partial to pidgin years ago.

If you like Pidgin I'd recommend https://gajim.org/ - it has a similar feel to the UI, is cross-platform and actively developed. Use it with a modern up-to-date server (see https://joinjabber.org/ for some general advice, and https://compliance.conversations.im/ for testing a specific server).
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