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Re: Every Noise at Once

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It's not up to date by any measure. There are new electronic genres popping up yearly, and usually it's the opposite of what you describe. Usually one artist does something new, quickly gets labeled and then the copycats start up. It's almost a branding exercise. Genres come and go as you say, and technically most genres are "hype" as they tend to last only briefly. There's nothing unique or new about that. I don't u…

Of course any style of music can get old and repetitive. But electronic music in particular has been very tied to the technological development of electronic instruments, from the moog modular and forward. A style like jungle/dnb was simply not possible before the advent of samplers and sequencers (well in theory you could do it with tape machines, but). Since about 2005 we can do "just about anything" with DAWs and…

With the development of additive synthesis techniques, technically any form of audio/sound is possible. However, replicating a single acoustic (or "organic") sound - much less an entire composition - through this technique would be strenuous and prohibitively labor intensive. Analogously, it would be like rendering a new banana by arranging some atoms.

Although we can technically "do anything" with the tools before us, there are still great strides to be made in harnessing the power to organize and control them. For this reason, I think we're still far from seeing the full potential of electronic music. We need better tools, and methods for manipulation of electronic instruments. We can barely even replicate and sequence the timbral control of something as seemingly simple as singing.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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My guess is that genres have become kinda diluted, because they've been sliced hyperfine. Wouldn't you rather be "the preeminent producer of Shoe-Slap HyperPunk Shibuya-by-way-of-Baghdad Grunge Disco!" than "A decent enough Techno composer"? You show me a playlist of "techno" I've never seen before, I have a general idea what I'm in for. You tell me about "future bass", I have no clue. Some of these genres seem more…

I can't see how you'd think niche subgenres are replaceable by "influencing artists", for even very niche subgenres don't tend to gravitate around a single artist as you imply. Niche, and at first glance similar stuff like future bass, future funk and kawaii future bass are still easy to tell apart and have many artists producing original sounds that people still associate to the genre. I don't understand your point…

I guess if I had to summarize my point, you get more of what you reward. If you reward people for identifying themselves as super-niche genres with acclamation, you're going to get an absurdly-finely-sliced set of genres. It doesn't mean those hyper-fine genres are necessarily all that useful.

If anything, I kinda think it hurts artists to be slicing this finely. You can't really just be ambiently "creative" without having some sort of constraint and structure around you, but jumping into a really small box isn't necessarily a great plan either.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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You can also do something with no algorithm what so ever: see every new Spotify release tagged in a genre, updated every Friday: https://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi Also you can see what's featured on Spotify's homepage for each country: https://everynoise.com/worldbrowser.cgi?country=NL

As usual Spotify's lists are utter crap The first 2 songs listed under "Trip Hop" are not remotely trip hop https://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi?genre=trip%...

I listened to music for a couple of less-often heard instruments, and the genre names were completely off-the-mark. Great quantity, little accuracy.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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This means I have to pitch Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. https://music.ishkur.com Recently updated, it's a comprehensive history and map of electronic music. It's been around since 2000, played a big role in my life. Highly recommended.

Unlike the GIGO genre-names at EN@O, the IGEM genre names are chosen by people who know their stuff.

Re: Every Noise at Once

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They are not that secretive, it's been written about several times. Long story short: a lot of it is still Glenn McDonald, the person behind everynoise, that was acquihired when they bought echonest. Here are a few articles about it (there are several more): https://artists.spotify.com/blog/how-spotify-discovers-the-g... https://www.thefader.com/2020/12/02/escape-room-genre-spotif... https://www.thestar.com/entertain…

Well, ideally your spotify artist page should contain the genres you're tagged with, along with some info of how that came to be, and even a way to request a change to those. But they don't want people to game the system, and also not let competitors know how they do things (I'm guessing).

At least you get the genre info is in the web API, just not present on the artist page (you need a token for the query to work, but you can create that on dev page): https://developer.spotify.com/console/get-artist/?id=10YNQq8...
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