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DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by twalla »

hobos_delight wrote: post #146

I run an engineering group at Microsoft in Australia, we have a reasonable though not (IMO) difficult screening / interview process. However despite this, we find it hard to get candidates through our pipeline - even to the point where interviewers have been told "I have 15 years of programming experience, why do you expect me to code now". Now, I'm positive we could improve the screening and process we have in place…

If you have 10-15 years experience you probably also have commitments outside of work that preclude you from wanting to sink multiple hours into doing toy problems and practicing STAR responses to behavioral questions. Most whiteboarding is just a legal, thinly veiled age filter.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by nsonha »

astrange wrote: post #73
shric wrote: post #69

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AU FAANG pay for health insurance too.

I was actually just looking at this and our benefits in AU seem to be A$3000 a year allowance towards a private plan. That doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it's enough.

There seems to be a double standard in every company that I applied to where the perks are more generous for US staffs. My friend works for an Australian unicorn expanding to the US who offers RSU for US staff but only share maching for Australians.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by ProZsolt »

busterarm wrote: post #150
benhurmarcel wrote: post #132

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It's not great but that kind of salary is still higher than most of western Europe. Young software engineers in France or Spain don't earn as much.

> Young software engineers in France or Spain don't earn as much. Central European companies seem to outsource so much development work to Barcelona. You'd think that salaries would start increasing there by now.

I can only talk about Hungary. SWE salaries doubled in the past couple of years. Entry level job salaries went from around 1000 EUR to 2000 EUR, but they are way less than in Germany

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by hobos_delight »

twalla wrote: post #151
hobos_delight wrote: post #146

I run an engineering group at Microsoft in Australia, we have a reasonable though not (IMO) difficult screening / interview process. However despite this, we find it hard to get candidates through our pipeline - even to the point where interviewers have been told "I have 15 years of programming experience, why do you expect me to code now". Now, I'm positive we could improve the screening and process we have in place…

If you have 10-15 years experience you probably also have commitments outside of work that preclude you from wanting to sink multiple hours into doing toy problems and practicing STAR responses to behavioral questions. Most whiteboarding is just a legal, thinly veiled age filter.

I don’t think it’s an unreasonable expectation to have a candidate write some code in a screening interview for a software engineering position.

When a candidate flat out refuses to, then this is a huge red flag.

It’s not a perfect system, but it’s the best one we have.

I don’t agree with your whiteboarding assertion.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

shric wrote: post #4

> Switzerland $95,753 Australia $85,167 Denmark $73,017 United States $71,858 This is a bit misleading taken at face value as the US has loads of smaller cities with far lower cost of living whereas almost all of Australia's software jobs are in Sydney, Melbourne and smaller capitals. The Silicon Valley wages are at least twice as good as Sydney and nowhere near a proportional cost of living increase.

Those salaries numbers alone would be enough to put me off of using this platform as an employer or an employee. They clearly are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

$71k is just barely above what the BLS reports as the 10th percentile for software developers in the US[1]

[1] https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #91
SilverRed wrote: post #24

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>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

> war zone in California What? I mean, I don't live there and I don't really like it there (except the central coast region) but that characterization is a bit much.

I used to think Skid Row was just a band name. Then I read this whole article and then noped out of LA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skid_Row,_Los_Angeles

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #59
s5300 wrote: post #42

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Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

While I agree that the other poster was being a bit dramatic, it's no stretch to say that California performs objectively poorer in a number of areas that people tend to pay attention to. Just take one crime - the murder rates in California are 4.3 per 100,000 and only 0.8 in Australia. I can see why some people could see a 450% increase in the likelihood of being murdered as a comparitive warzone.

I replied above, but read this whole page. Like wtf do places like this exist in America?! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skid_Row,_Los_Angeles

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

deminature wrote: post #101
DubiousPusher wrote: post #100

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It's grodey and depressing but hardly a "war zone".

Last time I was there, someone was openly defecating in front of city hall, next to multiple people shooting heroin. I had to step over someone who had collapsed apparently from drug use, in front of a restaurant entrance, and nobody seemed to care. It's about as close to the third world as exists in the west. I recognize there's extremely nice parts of SF, but most out of state/international guests stay around Tende…

I stayed in Tenderloin and was shocked when walking back to hotel people having sex on the footpath in front of their tent, while a few tents down someone shooting up. Then what looked like a 14 year old (at most) prostitute soliciting at the corner.

I’ve spent a lot of time on the depths of the Philippines, and never saw anything that bad... and that was during a single stroll to the hotel!

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

rxhernandez wrote: post #117
flukus wrote: post #55

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> Where exactly is this war zone in California...? No idea how universal these things are in all of California, but nearly every Australian that visits LA and a few other areas come back with stories about hearing gunshots from the hotel, accidentally ending up in a seedy/crime ridden part of town or something similar. This is very alien to us and more in line with what we'd see on the news from Somalia. Statistics l…

I have lived in LA county for more than 25 years and lived in East Hollywood ~1 year. I have never heard gunfire anywhere in LA. I'm sure it happens in the worst areas but I've never heard it and I've been around plenty of recreational gunfire (outside of LA). Do you think it's possible they're mistaking gunfire with fireworks? There are plenty of fireworks here.

> I'm sure it happens in the worst areas

I think the fact that those areas exist comes as a shock to Australians, who are used to gun control and probably never heard let alone seen a single gun in their lifetime

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

frongpik wrote: post #119
smabie wrote: post #54

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Well, I see some of my friends who just chill and make 400k for some FAANG and living pretty sad and pathetic lives. They are content with mediocrity. They have good jobs and make good money but will never earn great money and will never have great jobs. However, they are happy and content, which is more than I can say. But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy w…

I'd say you're chasing mirages and building sandcastles and look down upon the lazy neighbors who just watch the sunset.

Every time I have a friend chasing money rather than happiness, I send them this...

https://bemorewithless.com/the-story-of-the-mexican-fisherma...

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