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DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by sunsipples »

SilverRed wrote: post #24
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

I have been offered increase in pay to work in LA/SanFran/NY/UK/SouthAmerica/UAE and each time I knock it back because each time I have visited those places I could not wait to leave them. UAE was twice the money. The cost and conditions of life in Au are so much better.

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Post by TheButlerian »

SilverRed wrote: post #24
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

What warzone you fucking retard?

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Post by astrange »

shric wrote: post #69
astrange wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US FAANG health insurance is better and cheaper than (Australian) Medicare, which doesn't cover dentists/therapists/psychiatrists/etc. Universal systems are of course better once you're too sick to keep your job. Also, Sydney's cost of living and housing crisis is apparently even worse than SV, though I don't understand how that's possible. We're very dedicated to making housing expensive here.

AU FAANG pay for health insurance too.

I was actually just looking at this and our benefits in AU seem to be A$3000 a year allowance towards a private plan. That doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it's enough.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by deminature »

Niksko wrote: post #52
SilverRed wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

There are plenty of places that aren't California that still pay double or triple the salary that devs make in Australia

NYC is one of them. Still requires you relocate 10000 miles away from your friends and family, which isn't for everyone.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by aesthethiccs »

Niksko wrote: post #52
SilverRed wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

There are plenty of places that aren't California that still pay double or triple the salary that devs make in Australia

that's cool but you can't fix all the problems in usa with triple salary.

> healthcare > unlimited homelessness, in one day in la i saw more homelessness people then in my entire life in australia, this was only eclipsed by san fran. now i get why devs are leaving california, i wouldn't raise a family there. > gun violence > political instability > terrible pre-12 education system. > general shitty american population (why do you need to clap and chant so much)

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by ehnto »

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

At first I wanted to disagree as I have worked on some pretty awesome stuff and for work at least, I would rather work here than the US. That moderate economic landscape you mention is the reason working on software is so reasonable here. No ridiculous hours, sensible but good pay and a lot of mature technology choices since risk is avoided or at least calculated first.

As an average entrepreneur you are incentivised to play it safe by bootstrapping into existing industries, and because our market is so small the potential for hockey stick growth isn't there so investment isn't an attractive option either.

So I think you raise some good points but they may be aimed at people interested in the fast paced investment fueled software industries, and there are plenty of entrepreneurs and developers who much rather the moderate and grounded pace Australia offers.

I also agree that we have a lot of latent opportunities that can't be realised in that same environment, we are at an apex of cost and availability that makes it really difficult to pull off big risky projects so that leaves a lot of opportunity on the table.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by mythz »

SilverRed wrote: post #24
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Can concur, as an Aussie expat having spent 7 years in NYC/NJ returned to a much better lifestyle in WA before my kids ever have to go to a school in the US.

No longer have to worry about gun violence, surprise bankrupting medical bills & an anti-intellectual population prolonging the devastation of a virus that's killed >500k of the fellow population.

There's going to be better opportunities to work for mega tech conglomerates in the US but I'd expect great devs will be able to get hired remotely, although the salary for IT professionals is pretty decent in Australia as well.

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Post by kessma »

jjjeii3 wrote: post #63

Please also note that German software engineers have much less money comparing to almost any other country. The average salary is 4900 Euro and after tax this will be 2900 Euro !!! Even software engineers in a poor country like Ukraine make more money after tax than that and they also have much lower expenses comparing to Germany. So why someone living in Germany will spend a lot of time for study, learning all the t…

100% agree. unless you get a fully remote job, you need to really really love germany to stay there as a software developer. A friend of mine topped out at 90k with 10y experience working in a bank (which tradtionally already pay higher salaries) and that is a number for which I could find exactly zero skilled developers here in California. It would be perceived as a borderline insult. And no, that money isn't eaten by healthcare. I paid far more for healthcare for my family in Germany than I do here in the US.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by shric »

astrange wrote: post #73
shric wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AU FAANG pay for health insurance too.

I was actually just looking at this and our benefits in AU seem to be A$3000 a year allowance towards a private plan. That doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it's enough.

That gets a good private plan here. Also that's after a large corporate discount

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by jay_kyburz »

deminature wrote: post #74
Niksko wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of places that aren't California that still pay double or triple the salary that devs make in Australia

NYC is one of them. Still requires you relocate 10000 miles away from your friends and family, which isn't for everyone.

NYC is the only place in the US I was actually impressed by, and if I was a single guy with no family I could consider living there. Everywhere else I traveled was meh.
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