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DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by tiziniano »

ping_pong wrote: post #26
jpgvm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

I live in Silicon Valley and my wife is an Australian ex-pat. Sydney is cheaper than Silicon Valley. Period. End of story. She regularly looks at house prices in Sydney and dreams of selling our house and moving to Sydney but frankly I would never move there. I would visit, but I would not move there.

Why the aversion to Sydney? Not even as retirement?

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Post by tolbish »

smabie wrote: post #54
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

Well, I see some of my friends who just chill and make 400k for some FAANG and living pretty sad and pathetic lives. They are content with mediocrity. They have good jobs and make good money but will never earn great money and will never have great jobs. However, they are happy and content, which is more than I can say. But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy w…

What makes their lives sad and pathetic to you? What do you do that is so interesting?

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Post by jjjeii3 »

Please also note that German software engineers have much less money comparing to almost any other country.

The average salary is 4900 Euro and after tax this will be 2900 Euro !!! Even software engineers in a poor country like Ukraine make more money after tax than that and they also have much lower expenses comparing to Germany.

So why someone living in Germany will spend a lot of time for study, learning all the technologies etc if you will only earn 15% more money than a cleaning guy without any education and who can spend all his free time with friends instead of improving qualification?

So Germany is a failed state for software developers.

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Post by nightowl_games »

bonjourmr wrote: post #30
shric wrote: post #16

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To be fair we have it far easier in Sydney than over in Silicon Valley. For example most (but not all) Sydney Googlers choose to stay in Sydney even though they have the chance to relocate to e.g. Mountain View or Sunnyvale for more than double the comp. This is because of the work life balance and culture here in Sydney compared to over there. (I worked at Google Sydney for 5 years)

Yeah, I touched on the lifestyle here being good, I completely relate - I just think it creates a conundrum. Given this reality, we'll continue to be safe/slow followers to the rest of the world. Which is sad given this statistic! It is a huge wasted opportunity where we could be leaders in ideation, creations, thoughts, inventions etc. I don't want life to change, but in the bigger picture, I don't want us to fall b…

> Which is sad given this statistic! It is a huge wasted opportunity where we could be leaders in ideation, creations, thoughts, inventions etc.

The statistic is about devs doing well on coding tests, not about any of the creative, innovative things you list.

Perhaps they are inversely related.

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Post by InvertedRhodium »

smabie wrote: post #54
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

Well, I see some of my friends who just chill and make 400k for some FAANG and living pretty sad and pathetic lives. They are content with mediocrity. They have good jobs and make good money but will never earn great money and will never have great jobs. However, they are happy and content, which is more than I can say. But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy w…

> But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy with anything I have.

I can relate to the concept and have to work hard on taking time to appreciate what I have - I call that mindset 'inherent dissatisfaction' and personally found it poisonous, but realise that's probably not the case for everyone.

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Post by astrange »

threeseed wrote: post #32
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #17

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What are the differences in W/L balance and culture between SV and Sydney?

Apart from Sydney having almost perfect weather and being one of the most stunning cities in the world there are the political aspects. Free healthcare, basically no gun crime, far less polarisation, more family friendly, far less homeless, a more successful multiculturalism environment, strong societal bonds i.e. we were able to get most of the country to agree to large scale lockdowns and mask wearing. Mateship and…

US FAANG health insurance is better and cheaper than (Australian) Medicare, which doesn't cover dentists/therapists/psychiatrists/etc. Universal systems are of course better once you're too sick to keep your job.

Also, Sydney's cost of living and housing crisis is apparently even worse than SV, though I don't understand how that's possible. We're very dedicated to making housing expensive here.

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Post by nightowl_games »

smabie wrote: post #54
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

Well, I see some of my friends who just chill and make 400k for some FAANG and living pretty sad and pathetic lives. They are content with mediocrity. They have good jobs and make good money but will never earn great money and will never have great jobs. However, they are happy and content, which is more than I can say. But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy w…

Saying 400K isn't great money is indicative of the massive wealth that the tech bubble has. Y'all are priveledged. I can't wait for remote work to spread those salaries across the globe. I will out work your friend for less that half that price. And I know countless more like me.

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Post by shric »

threeseed wrote: post #32
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the differences in W/L balance and culture between SV and Sydney?

Apart from Sydney having almost perfect weather and being one of the most stunning cities in the world there are the political aspects. Free healthcare, basically no gun crime, far less polarisation, more family friendly, far less homeless, a more successful multiculturalism environment, strong societal bonds i.e. we were able to get most of the country to agree to large scale lockdowns and mask wearing. Mateship and…

Agree with parent completely. Also, maybe this is a rationalisation for not moving to SV but our software dev salaries are more than enough to live a very comfortable lifestyle. Sure, we're not going to retire in 5 years and cruise around on our yachts, but if you're beyond chasing material goods for status then living and working in Sydney in this industry is pretty great.

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Post by shric »

astrange wrote: post #66
threeseed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from Sydney having almost perfect weather and being one of the most stunning cities in the world there are the political aspects. Free healthcare, basically no gun crime, far less polarisation, more family friendly, far less homeless, a more successful multiculturalism environment, strong societal bonds i.e. we were able to get most of the country to agree to large scale lockdowns and mask wearing. Mateship and…

US FAANG health insurance is better and cheaper than (Australian) Medicare, which doesn't cover dentists/therapists/psychiatrists/etc. Universal systems are of course better once you're too sick to keep your job. Also, Sydney's cost of living and housing crisis is apparently even worse than SV, though I don't understand how that's possible. We're very dedicated to making housing expensive here.

AU FAANG pay for health insurance too.

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Post by ALittleLight »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #59
s5300 wrote: post #42

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Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

While I agree that the other poster was being a bit dramatic, it's no stretch to say that California performs objectively poorer in a number of areas that people tend to pay attention to. Just take one crime - the murder rates in California are 4.3 per 100,000 and only 0.8 in Australia. I can see why some people could see a 450% increase in the likelihood of being murdered as a comparitive warzone.

Looks like (from a quick googling, may be something I'm not taking into account here) violent crime is actually more common in Australia than in California.

Australia 692 violent assaults per 100k [1]

California 430 assaults per 100k [2]

So, you'd also be trading more of a rare really bad thing for less of a relatively common bad thing.

1 - https://www.osac.gov/Country/Australia/Content/Detail/Report....

2 - https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/....

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