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It's a curious question for the value proposition of blockchain denominated currencies. There is a real possibility that in the future, all stolen assets will eventually be recovered and returned to their owners. There needn't be any limit to recovery given a universal, traceable, and non-fungible transaction log. Pretty soon payment processors/recipients would start maintaining blacklists of stolen coins which they…

Also interesting: since the total number of Bitcoins is fixed, as more and more coins are used for crime and get blacklisted, the value of remaining coins will become inflated. Given a long enough timeline, there will be too few coins for the currency to remain useful. (Though to be fair, people simply losing the private keys to their wallet also has the same effect. Not sure which phenomenon would, over time, result…

Bitcoin is already not such a useful currency (although it’s currently a very useful speculative asset) due to the fact that it has been maxed out at a real world daily average of ~3.5tx/s for years AFAICT (half the often quote 7tps) as its blocksize is hard-capped (and if history has shown, will never be able to be increased). There are also minimums for value that are effectively spendable based on BTC/byte transaction fees, UTXOs (the set continues to grow dramatically) and price where a larger and larger percentage of the coinbase becomes un-economic to spend as price goes up.

Just as a point of reference, the current median tx price in USD is ~$12, next block confirmations currently cost in excess of 100+ satoshis/byte and the median tx size is ~250 bytes.

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Obama was that forward thinking, charismatic, enlightened leader that people wanted to work for. The White House Digital Service was by any metric a resounding success. But the pay did suck. The problem with the government paying "Google salaries" is who gets them? Is an IRS auditor really worthy of half a million a year in comp? What about the DEA agent deep under cover and risking his life, much more deserving... r…

IRS agents are easy to calculate pay. Base living wage ($70-$90k) + 1-5% of each amount recovered Incentivize pursuing the biggest evaders, and the problem may solve itself.

As other commissioned jobs will show you, like in real estate, that’s only an incentive to close high volume easy deals, not move mountains to chase hard deals.

Your idea would likely just spur a movement to throw the book at normal working people to extract the most from easy targets, like self-employed misfiles.

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I wonder how many bitcoin people understand the history of banking regulations. Banks do not want to be accessory to crimes. They make plenty of money legally. So when the government says we know that you helped someone steal billions of dollars so we are going to shut you down, the banks will quickly offer to track and report and block people.

Banks are the most law breaking entities in the United States. They constantly have to make enormous settlements for the insane number of laws they break. These are just the settlements for Bank of America: https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/10/01/the-comple... A better summary wouldn't be "they make plenty of money legally." It would be they make plenty of money illegally after paying the settlements.

This is what I'm saying. The banks are more than happy to pay fines and add regulations to their practices because they don't want the government to shut them down. Coinbase will be no different. They make too much money to have any principals around standing up for a "Permissionless and Decentralized financial system"

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Obama was that forward thinking, charismatic, enlightened leader that people wanted to work for. The White House Digital Service was by any metric a resounding success. But the pay did suck. The problem with the government paying "Google salaries" is who gets them? Is an IRS auditor really worthy of half a million a year in comp? What about the DEA agent deep under cover and risking his life, much more deserving... r…

This makes me wonder, was pay competitive for rocket scientists during the space race, or was the mission so compelling that nobody cared if they were making less than they might have at a defense contractor?

I found this trying to Google around for NASA scientists pay during the space race. Turns out maybe money wasn’t the biggest factor involved.

tldr; Korolev, the lead Soviet engineer during the space race died in the middle of it from colon cancer and they never recovered.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/07/11/this...

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They could just setup their own Bitcoin tumbler

Tumbling on bitcoin doesn't work like it used to a few years ago. There are now multiple companies dedicated to blockchain tracking and analysis. All coins coming from tumblers are flagged. It's possible because the bitcoin blockchain is public and every balance and transaction is visible to the whole world. Many exchanges refuse to accept coins that have passed through a tumbler. If you attempt to deposit these coin…

So can you poison someones wallet if you send them 1 satoshi that’s from a tumbler?

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IRS agents are easy to calculate pay. Base living wage ($70-$90k) + 1-5% of each amount recovered Incentivize pursuing the biggest evaders, and the problem may solve itself.

As other commissioned jobs will show you, like in real estate, that’s only an incentive to close high volume easy deals, not move mountains to chase hard deals. Your idea would likely just spur a movement to throw the book at normal working people to extract the most from easy targets, like self-employed misfiles.

You could address that to have the benefit only usable once per year.

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“The confidential records and interviews with former employees reveal that compliance officers often filed SARs lacking even basic information about who owned companies banking with HSBC, the nature of their businesses, and where the money came from. Sometimes, records show, they asked branches for the information and were ignored or rebuffed.” There’s records and then there’s “records”. https://www.icij.org/investig…

And the record of not having a proper record.

So we’re good? A record of a record (of a record of a record of a...) that doesn’t tell you who the money went to, doesn’t fill in that blank. It’s useful to ascertain fault at the bank (which in HSBC’s case didn’t result in much of consequence ).

So yes records (of sometimes dubious quality) are kept from a pedantic standpoint, but I understood GP to mean that this would prevent someone from laundering large sums through (large respectable) banks which is demonstrably not always the case.

Not only may these logs be questionable, but apparently the penalties, using the HSBC example, don’t seem to be a deterrent.

TLDR; banks having records doesn’t mean shit when you want to launder large sums of money.

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You see. This is what bitcoin so fascinating... it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction. So imagine the field day the irs would have with this if everyone used it. They basically would be able to send bills to owners of wallets. And anyone ever caught working with an undesirable would be able to have their funds more or less locked up. So now, we all watch as billions of stolen money moves and we know the m…

Not sure how the scammers and thieves operate, but wouldn't they (likely) be laundering the money the same way they've always been doing it? I.e, exploiting things like identity theft, countries and exchanges with little oversight, mules, gambling, etc.

There's also wrapped bitcoins as an etf on etherum. Would they be able to detect or reject stolen bitcoins. Would you be able to trade the ETF coins instead without knowing?

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> it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction What about tumblers?

You have to find some clean bitcoins to tumble them with .... why would someone with clean coins tumble theirs with dirty ones?

Do online casinos check whether some coins are dirty?
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