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Isn't Uniswap doing a swap within the same chain?

Indeed. Alts should be wrapped so that they become swap-able with Uniswap. In that sense, Atomic swaps are superior since you have zero counter-party risk. Who guessed Bitcoin tech is superior to that of Ethereum?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't wrapping require KYC? So how could this be used to convert the BTC to Monero?

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> it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction What about tumblers?

They just shuffle coins around. Still possible to track. It's also obvious to everyone watching that the shuffling service was used. Exchanges have already started to refuse coins that passed through these services. They might as well be tainted. The real solution is to drop bitcoin and use better technology. Monero looks like the best option right now. Private transactions, concealed amounts, fungibility, low fees a…

> The real solution is to drop bitcoin and use better technology.

Walk into WalMart with cash and buy a prepaid gift card. Voilà. And the best part: it works literally everywhere. Both the buying and the using. Unlike flavor-of-the-week crypto.

Though, let's be real for a second, the ways to screw up from this point are many and varied. Accidentally use your home IP address to make the purchase? Oops. Did the naughty thing at Starbucks and there just happened to be a CCTV cam on you? Oh noes.

Probably best to stay offline, use cash everywhere, limit your banking, turn off your smartphone, and move from location to location constantly.

Or just give up.

> O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

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I'm pretty sure there's no bank in the world that would be willing to make a transaction in the billions and not keep a record of it.

Ye of little faith. Google: HSBC cartel money.

HSBC knew what they were doing.... Because of their records.

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You see. This is what bitcoin so fascinating... it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction. So imagine the field day the irs would have with this if everyone used it. They basically would be able to send bills to owners of wallets. And anyone ever caught working with an undesirable would be able to have their funds more or less locked up. So now, we all watch as billions of stolen money moves and we know the m…

This fails to account for the fact that IRS currently (and maybe this changes in the future) has a hard time doing serious audits on any significant amount of wealthy people; and that the agency has pretty much been gutted over the years.

[0] https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted

[1] https://www.propublica.org/series/gutting-the-irs

[2] https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich

Re: $7.5B In Stolen Bitcoin from 2016 Bitfinex Hack has just been moved

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I'd take that over still not receiving a stimulus check despite needing them more than ever.

Yea, my comment was more that $7.5B is $1 per person in the world or $20 for people in the US. Nowhere near something to be considered UBI. I hope you get the assistance you need.

You don't need to start with an entire country, start with a city or state. Then steal more.

Not sure how you'd target a geographical area though.

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So if someone buys a stick of gum from me after taking rent money from a tainted BTC address, I get flagged?

It only takes a few exchanges refusing to flag coins and the whole flagging system fails. The bad money gets mixed with the good in the exchanges wallet, and sent to random people...

> a few exchanges refusing to flag coins

they may not have a choice if the gov't regulation forces them to flag it.

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post #148

You see. This is what bitcoin so fascinating... it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction. So imagine the field day the irs would have with this if everyone used it. They basically would be able to send bills to owners of wallets. And anyone ever caught working with an undesirable would be able to have their funds more or less locked up. So now, we all watch as billions of stolen money moves and we know the m…

I wonder how many bitcoin people understand the history of banking regulations. Banks do not want to be accessory to crimes. They make plenty of money legally. So when the government says we know that you helped someone steal billions of dollars so we are going to shut you down, the banks will quickly offer to track and report and block people.

Banks are the most law breaking entities in the United States. They constantly have to make enormous settlements for the insane number of laws they break. These are just the settlements for Bank of America:

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/10/01/the-comple...

A better summary wouldn't be "they make plenty of money legally." It would be they make plenty of money illegally after paying the settlements.

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post #148

You see. This is what bitcoin so fascinating... it is absolutely impossible to hide a transaction. So imagine the field day the irs would have with this if everyone used it. They basically would be able to send bills to owners of wallets. And anyone ever caught working with an undesirable would be able to have their funds more or less locked up. So now, we all watch as billions of stolen money moves and we know the m…

Not sure how the scammers and thieves operate, but wouldn't they (likely) be laundering the money the same way they've always been doing it?

I.e, exploiting things like identity theft, countries and exchanges with little oversight, mules, gambling, etc.

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post #183
post #178

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Ye of little faith. Google: HSBC cartel money.

HSBC knew what they were doing.... Because of their records.

“The confidential records and interviews with former employees reveal that compliance officers often filed SARs lacking even basic information about who owned companies banking with HSBC, the nature of their businesses, and where the money came from. Sometimes, records show, they asked branches for the information and were ignored or rebuffed.”

There’s records and then there’s “records”.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/hsbc-moved-...

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It's a curious question for the value proposition of blockchain denominated currencies. There is a real possibility that in the future, all stolen assets will eventually be recovered and returned to their owners. There needn't be any limit to recovery given a universal, traceable, and non-fungible transaction log. Pretty soon payment processors/recipients would start maintaining blacklists of stolen coins which they…

Also interesting: since the total number of Bitcoins is fixed, as more and more coins are used for crime and get blacklisted, the value of remaining coins will become inflated. Given a long enough timeline, there will be too few coins for the currency to remain useful. (Though to be fair, people simply losing the private keys to their wallet also has the same effect. Not sure which phenomenon would, over time, result…

Not if the person behind the crime was caught - then their coins could be un-flagged.
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