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Coinbase from YC to DPO

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Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

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It's a tiny bit pedantic, but the Coinbase offering today was not actually an IPO, I learned, but a DPO (Direct Public Offering). It was not a fundraising event for Coinbase, only a liquidity event for shareholders, and unlike an IPO no explicit valuation process occurred to select an offering price.

Its not pedantic at all, it's the most interesting part of this IPO, because this is a new way to do IPOs.

Spotify and Slack went public through direct listings as well.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

#432

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I'm new to this. Is the collateral locked into the contract and unspendable until the contract is closed? It's also kind of unclear what the interest is from that page. edit: apparently it's 8.5% https://mkr.tools/governance/stabilityfee

It's just a smart contact vault, you can put collateral, take it out whenever you want, you just need to make sure that at any given point in time you have at least 150% of your debts value in collateral in the vault. This person is at over 400%, so very conservative borrowing, can withdraw some collateral. There are also centralized versions with blockfi if you prefer traditional loans.

150% collateral (66.7% LTV) seems fairly risky for an asset like Bitcoin tbh

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

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For reference, BP the number five global oil behemoth with 200B in revenues in 2020, has a market cap of 85B. Coinbase that sells pumped speculation for a fee has a market cap of 100B.

Markets are efficient.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

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Wow. Assuming he put in just $10,000 (and I imagine it was probably more than that), 6000x return would be 60 million dollars. Any early companies out there right now seem like it could potentially offer even a 10th of that in ~5-10 years?

i dunno how people say VCs have a return of only 9% year when Ycombinator is absolutely crushing that even with a high failure rate. AirBNB, box, dropbox, coinbase, etc. Paul stumbled on an absolute goldmine by just giving a bunch of promising companies with good founders 10k in exchange for a decent portion of equity and then some of these companies being worth billions. NOw you know what those homes and are so expe…

> i dunno how people say VCs have a return of only 9% year when Ycombinator is absolutely crushing that even with a high failure rate

YC is a massive outlier and they have insanely good deal flow because of their brand.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

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I still don’t see what the upside is to their valuation? It’s all baked in AFAICT.

Very little. This is a result of the private equity market growing so large that companies can put off going public for very long (Coinbase raised $800 million and the last round was "Series E"). 10-15 years ago, it was much more difficult for companies to raise this much before going public, which forced companies to go public much earlier, before all upside was realized by private investors. The result is private e…

That said. it is interesting how most of the unicorn companies have reached above their valuations in the current market.

Exit valuation of uber was 82.4$Billion, which we considered as insanely high then. Now it sits at 100.2 Market cap.

I have been aggregating some of them in my google sheet. Its very peculiar https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IPIyrn-36GpepXXkfoLF...

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

#436

For reference, BP the number five global oil behemoth with 200B in revenues in 2020, has a market cap of 85B. Coinbase that sells pumped speculation for a fee has a market cap of 100B. Markets are efficient.

  sells pumped speculation
Probably the same type of person to criticize biased journalism.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

#437

For reference, BP the number five global oil behemoth with 200B in revenues in 2020, has a market cap of 85B. Coinbase that sells pumped speculation for a fee has a market cap of 100B. Markets are efficient.

sells pumped speculation Probably the same type of person to criticize biased journalism.

*someone who watched dogecoin soaring 100% in a week.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

#438

For reference, BP the number five global oil behemoth with 200B in revenues in 2020, has a market cap of 85B. Coinbase that sells pumped speculation for a fee has a market cap of 100B. Markets are efficient.

There is lots of speculation now but I think eventually real-world applications will be made with crypto. At the very least, it will be likely that the bigger cryptos will start to be accepted by major companies to buy goods/services.

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

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I can live in a house. I can't live in a Bitcoin.

Yes, but you also can't take your house with you stored in your brain if you have to flee the country. Bitcoin as chaos insurance (or schmuck insurance as Chamath calls it) is the use case that makes the most sense to me.

Then again, you rarely have to dig through a garbage dump for your house because you accidentally threw it out: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/uk-man-makes-last-ditch-effo...

Re: Coinbase from YC to DPO

#440

For reference, BP the number five global oil behemoth with 200B in revenues in 2020, has a market cap of 85B. Coinbase that sells pumped speculation for a fee has a market cap of 100B. Markets are efficient.

Literally compare COIN to any other market maker or financial institution. I would love to hear some justification here.
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