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Re: Our plans for PeerTube v4

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Question to PeerTube: What are you doing to curb the ever-growing number of white supremacists using your platform?

There should be freedom of speech, however that needs to be balanced with the ability for centralized services - or trust networks - to form and allowed to moderate, without a centralized single government entity dictating what may be said or not to avoid potential tyranny - nor to force all organizations/platforms to be required to share everything [minus whatever "hate" list is deemed inappropriate by the government].

I do agree with Twitter, AWS, deplatforming who they want: why would you purposefully allow a bad actor (or misguided people) to use your technology/weapons? If they're not sophisticated enough or want to piggyback on the technology of people who don't believe you should be allowed to freely incite violence, then those bad actors will learn a lesson - as they seemed to - and then they will have to rally and align with those who do fully support a lack of moderation, etc. There are other problems like a lack of data and network portability laws, and PeerTube to some degree is a bridge for that, but the laws still need to be in place as a canary - if they ever happen to get removed.

The broader issue is societal - and that our institutions have been weakened by a number of factors including regulatory capture by industrial complexes, tied with the duopoly - leading to policy that kills off and suffocates the majority of people instead of supporting them to be able to thrive. Racism, as an example, could be argued as a multi-generational health whereby narratives, role modelling, overlaid onto circumstances of excess suffering, excess stress, that prime the racism to continue to perpetuate. It's also a sign of a lack of deep, genuine community and interconnectedness; we have politicians and the mainstream media and the vast majority, if not all, global brands constantly trying to manipulate us - and the whole ad industry enabling little "mom and pop shops" from being able to join in on the manipulate to sell things to consumers, buying attention for little to no effort - undeserved, unearned attention.

It's possible that if Trump hadn't been deplatformed then he could have further incited violence, more easily, and quickly enough; Parler and other forums did at least temporarily organize at least the most avid. It's possible too - though based on the Capitol incursion security forces weren't prepared and/or lacking integrity - that security forces would have been prepared to counter whatever portion of disenfranchised (and misguided) Trump supporters would be ready to escalate further violence. But the important part to all of it is that it was a wakeup call - that Trump got voted in because who slid by the control mechanisms and corridors the duopoly had managed to evolve and strengthen over the last X decades - that there are 80+ million people who aren't happy and are prone to lies, propaganda coming from and being reenforced by these various complexes.

In short conclusion, Andrew Yang's core policies seem like the new foundation necessary to counter the majority, if not all, of the problems that lead to this current state of America; Presidential candidate, now running for Mayor of NYC.

Re: Our plans for PeerTube v4

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Couple this news with this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26804977 . We need not only decentralization and "openness". We need independence. People should be held accountable by lies and defamation they eventually spread but the possibility of publishing information or "personal media" should not be arbitrarily controlled by any government, company or market. Edit: replaced "Punishment for crimes like hate spe…

Punishment for crimes like hate speech should be enforced Can I assume you're not in America? In the USA, "hate speech" is not, and cannot be, a crime. The 1st Amendment forbids content-based limitations on speech.

Go yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater and see how you do in court.

Re: Our plans for PeerTube v4

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I am very hopeful for Peertube and their project, since I'm currently partaking in hosting a large video website for otherwise content too controversial for mainstream platforms like Youtube. (Political content if you were wondering, but I won't indulge what kind) This takes back control to creators in such a way that essentially only domain registrars will be able to dictate what content may stay alive on the intern…

I got to see this first hand recently. Tesla has a rabid fan base that try to take down any negative information. Somebody posted a video on YouTube criticizing Tesla’s full self driving system and using short clips from other channels that are clearly fair use. Users spammed DMCA takedown requests and YouTube removed the video. Other users published it to Vimeo, Veoh, and a few other sites but those all got taken do…

Well, I posted a copy on my PeerTube instance and without a court order it ain't getting deleted.

Re: Our plans for PeerTube v4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of restrictions on free speech before; the First Amendment is not absolute. It is not unthinkable that with changing society and changing judicial review, the USA too may one day find hate speech to be a crime.

Hate speech being a crime is not the problem. The power of the arbiter of what defines hate speech is.

In China, "hate speech" includes anything that is critical of the government. I'm very happy that the U.S. has a very high bar for free speech, otherwise we would have been in a very bad spot all throughout the previous presidential administration.

Re: Our plans for PeerTube v4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that i agree with the GP comment, but isn't that exactly the point of courts? Eg death threats and all sorts of illegal wording are inaccurate in the literal, programming sense. Humans (courts/etc) interpret and ultimately rule if a set of vague concepts is in violation. If it wasn't for this capability it would be hilariously easy to avoid almost all repercussion from written/spoken word by just adding a dash of…

The activists entrenched in Silicon Valley know better than the peasants or the courts.

Well i use the term courts loosely here, as it is besides my point - my point was simply that humans _already_ interpret word as allowed or not.

We do not allow all english that isn't strictly defined as bad, i thought. I can threaten you in ways that will get me in trouble but are not, by themselves, a threat. English is not that simple.

So my point is merely that it seems to be the precedent is already set for humans to moderate human english. It is not a programming language to be parsed and verified.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, this comment could give you some clues [to what their leanings are and what content could be hosted*]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610522 *Added context since parent was flagged

>For all I've seen "non-white non-male" is generally given priority in all kinds of areas, certainly in start-up interest. It's considered "hip" to associate with these "non-white non-male" groups, irregardless of their actual performance in whatever area they were prioritized. (To a certain extent at least, they can't be completely nonperforming) Being able to show that you have included these groups in whatever way…

Guess again:

> 1) Non-white non-males are given less ability to grow in the "STEM/Entrepreneurship" fields as students and/or children by society.

> 2) White men are able to outperform those other groups by some inherent quality.

> Nevertheless, 1) seems to be partially disproved

Unless I misread, the claim that is being made here is "white males are inherently superior"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got to see this first hand recently. Tesla has a rabid fan base that try to take down any negative information. Somebody posted a video on YouTube criticizing Tesla’s full self driving system and using short clips from other channels that are clearly fair use. Users spammed DMCA takedown requests and YouTube removed the video. Other users published it to Vimeo, Veoh, and a few other sites but those all got taken do…

Well, I posted a copy on my PeerTube instance and without a court order it ain't getting deleted.

Do you care to share a link then?

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> Punishment for crimes like hate speech should be enforced > "personal media" should not be arbitrarily controlled This threw an exception, because "hate speech" is an arbitrary type. It has no objective definition. It is defined by whoever happens to be defining it.

Not that i agree with the GP comment, but isn't that exactly the point of courts? Eg death threats and all sorts of illegal wording are inaccurate in the literal, programming sense. Humans (courts/etc) interpret and ultimately rule if a set of vague concepts is in violation. If it wasn't for this capability it would be hilariously easy to avoid almost all repercussion from written/spoken word by just adding a dash of…

Offloading the problem solving to courts doesn't fix the issue, it just removes your involvement.
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