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Post by kingsuper20 »

syshum wrote: post #112
colejohnson66 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

That is why we need Copyright reform to take the teeth out of media companies. Return copyright in the US back to the original constitutional limits

Never'll happen.

“Congress shall have power… to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.”

As I read it, the law should be formed to maximize progress, not to maximize value of an idea.

But, a large amorphous group of citizens will never overcome a small, highly-concentrated self interested group. I doubt you'll ever see the copyright-opening version of the NRA or SPCA.

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Post by flavius29663 »

at_a_remove wrote: post #110

I think the "oh no human moderation would cost us too much" defense is a distraction. It's a good one, because it is working, but it is still a distraction. Let us suppose we have a program which checks for orthodoxy according to the YouTube Terms of Service against each video submitted. Nothing but a lack of having done the work prevents YouTube from adding to its "rejected" flag the following: 1) A list of timestar…

That will never work.

If you tell the user exactly what they did wrong, they will keep trying by changing very little in the original video until it gets past bots, but still keeps the illegal or "forbidden" message.

I think youtube should not be allowed to remove videos for their content unless for legal reasons. Meaning it's a violation of the law, in which case they have to send the information to the police as well. And that, of course, should require a human stamp of approval. Of course, Youtube should be allowed to remove videos if they are too long, wrong format etc., but NOT for their content.

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Post by intrasight »

tertius wrote: post #71
intrasight wrote: post #70

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I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I look forward to the day when our machine overlords make all decisions. Humans are assholes with their own nefarious agendas. Machines are not. Of course if the day comes where machines ask for bribes then I'll change my opinion ;)

Who controls the machines? Those people are a-holes too.

If they are machine overlords, then they control themselves ;)

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Post by intrasight »

MereInterest wrote: post #72
intrasight wrote: post #70

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I'm of the complete opposite opinion. I look forward to the day when our machine overlords make all decisions. Humans are assholes with their own nefarious agendas. Machines are not. Of course if the day comes where machines ask for bribes then I'll change my opinion ;)

Except that machines aren't making some grand objective pronouncement, sent from on high and untainted by base human nature. Machines are programmed to carry out some particular human desire. They follow that single human desire, without any of the restraint or competition of other desires, no matter how deep that path may lead. Machines are assholes with nefarious agendas given to them either intentionally or uninte…

We have a brief window to get this right before the machines take over. Let's not waste it.

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Post by ttt0 »

Karunamon wrote: post #119
colejohnson66 wrote: post #78

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The media companies made sure that’ll never happen again :/ That’s how we got ContentID: to prevent music and video piracy.

Something I never quite understood... couldn't Google have just said "no" and required them to submit DMCA takedowns? The law doesn't require the level of broken proactivity that Youtube has.

They don't care about your average Joe user. Just look at their search results and see what comes up. What they want is to transfer the 'legacy media' to their platforms.

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Post by hodgesrm »

m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

> >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong.

Youtube is in the same economic vice as Walmart. It's hard to be cheap and provide a human touch, especially as labor costs rise. Automation only takes you so far in a free economy.

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Post by sneak »

m_a_g wrote: post #4

>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.

Why does content need to be "flagged"?

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Post by hoppla »

thu2111 wrote: post #85
kodablah wrote: post #38

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I think the argument is framed as wanting a human during take down dispute, not pre-approval. There's no need to treat this as an absolute. Why are human contact and reasonable expediency considered mutually exclusive? There is a lot of room in the middle. Can allow human dispute resolution for non-free accounts (i.e. paid or earning). Can limit upload frequency site wide while dispute/abuse queues are backed up (kno…

What's with the assumption here that there aren't humans involved in this decision? The linked post literally quotes Google saying: "Hi Sun Knudsen, Our team has reviewed your content, and, unfortunately, we think it violates our harmful and dangerous policy." Google has always had humans in the loop. Not for every decision but certainly the more impactful ones that affect user generated content. When I worked there,…

Knowledge is empowering, and one can also argue that lack of it is considered harmful. Not being able to link to resources that can help you understand how something works can lead to (in the big picture) that only criminals will gain access to that knowledge.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

indigochill wrote: post #86
gumby wrote: post #81

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> >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. > Can't agree more. Simply replaced a prior system in which humans cannot interact with humans anymore and certain humans get to chose what is right and wrong. The key problem is the inability to provide human feedback more than the mechanism for making the init…

Federation is the answer at scale. You need dictatorship for effective moderation. But you also want those dictatorships small, uniform, and interchangeable so that the "citizens" of those dictatorships can easily pick the one that suits them best. Those dictatorships link up (federate) with like-minded dictatorships to benefit from network effects of sharing their content among themselves. If your content doesn't su…

I’m unfamiliar with PeerTube, but it appears to me that search and the recommendation engine is YouTube’s secret sauce. Does PeerTube have that?
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