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“It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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> Left unsaid, of course, is that ‘the conversation’ at scale is complete garbage Twitter is simply not a conversation platform. The medium is optimized for publishing small blurbs to as many people as possible. It's not designed for serious back-and-forth discussion. It rewards quips and got-ems, not nuanced debate. It's almost like a giant comments section with no subject.

This, so much of this. Twitter will just never be the best of the ways to have actual conversations. You just have to ask yourself when has anyone left a twitter exchange with their mind changed? I mean is not like impossible that being said I doubt is a high percentage. In top of that add the fact that a lot of people that grew up on tumblr (with its own h way of having conversations and with its won metalanguage) b…

Twitter is good to make short announcements that everyone interested can receive.

But the majority of exchange is someone publishing something interesting, a couple of people add something constructive and the enormous tail after that is people trying for brownie points by trying to prove they know more, trying to bring some forced social relevance/intersectionality and a bunch piling on like a yo mama joke that's run its course but the kids who can't do jokes make ham-fisted attempts and pile on more disconnected nonsense.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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The article title is a misquote [1] from the interviewed subject of the article, in which the subject recounts a situation where their mundane tweet was replied to thousands of times, and was trending before and after because of a Twitter feature designed to highlight high-interaction tweeets from verified accounts.

This is essentially clickbait, because it sets up an expectation in the reader that cancel culture may be involved. I have a low opinion of intentionally manipulative titles, and consider them to be a platform failure.

[1] It's literally a misquote, because the interviewed subject is in truth even more dismissive of the concept of cancel culture, but all of this is a red herring, because no one in their right mind ought to think this bizarre situation was a manifestation of cancel culture. Don't pick this apart uncharitably, my assertion does not preclude from "people in their right mind" nonetheless believing in cancel culture; my assertion is that no one in their right mind should think that This bizarre incident was a manifestation of cancel culture.

Nonetheless, the writer does have a point. The 'trending' feature was easily manipulated in the past, and now that it's been changed to add some editorial commentary, it's now complete nonsense masquerading as newsworthy happenings. But the whole site has been like that since retweets were added, where everyone is just trying to ride the coattails of being adjacent to a viral tweet and go viral themselves. Lots of people claim they get value out of Twitter, but when you listen to their example, they invariable engage in curation of their friends and the people they follow, and stick to interest-based communities rather than bored people shitposting. There's no value in Twitter-at-large, except to the trolls and people who seek fame or infamy for its own sake.

But where the writer falls short is they don't present a clear alternative. They point a laser pointer at some bizarre event that only a few thousand people know about that blowed up a blue-check person's phone for a day, conclude the whole site a cesspool, and ask us to ponder in our hearts if we deserve something better. Yes, we do, and we use those sites, like this one, and engage with those communities instead. And I think a lot of people do. Yet some people still use Twitter too, so perhaps it fulfills a genuine demand for something after all.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they accomplished anything else? Does that justify BLM as a political organisation? How transparent are they, and who runs it? Assumptions aren't always good. BLM is not new, and i've been disturbed by the attitudes of some supporters going back a few years.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancel culture isn't bound by politics, ethnicity, gender, etc. American conservatives are equally as guilty of this as progressives.

the specific "Her" I was referencing was the journalist that was the subject of the linked article.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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> Left unsaid, of course, is that ‘the conversation’ at scale is complete garbage Twitter is simply not a conversation platform. The medium is optimized for publishing small blurbs to as many people as possible. It's not designed for serious back-and-forth discussion. It rewards quips and got-ems, not nuanced debate. It's almost like a giant comments section with no subject.

In my understanding its a free worldwide immediate news distribution service. Was never planned for a reasonable discourse? I am a bit disappointed that BitClout started with that paradigm.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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As shown with the horror movie tweets, literally anything said can offend someone. This is why I created a new social media platform for Cancel culture. https://cancel.pointless.click

Beautiful satire :-)

BTW: if you own the whole pointless.click domain you could rent out subdomains, at least I instantly wanted one (or maybe you use them yourself already, I just don't find anything on pointless.click)

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe McCarthy was operating with the force of government backing him in (to modern eyes) a pretty clear violation of First Amendment protections.

No politicians today participate in cancel culture? I doubt it. Regardless let's use a non political example. I assume if the issue is "force of government" then you were 100% okay with the Hollywood Blacklists? (Generally accepted to be part of MCCarthyism) After all that's basically analogous to deplatforming and it was private companies that were doing it with no force of government. Do you support the Hollywood b…

I disagree with the studios' reasons for doing it (it was dressed up as a patriotic move, but was fairly thinly-veiled anti-labor action intended to disrupt the growing trend towards unionization in the entertainment industry).

But as political affiliation was not (and for pretty obvious reasons, probably should not be, California's subsequent state-level decisions notwithstanding) a protected employment class, they certainly had the right to do it. The HUAC is a different story.

(You take away the studios' right to blacklist communists and you take away their right to blacklist KKK members at the same time. It's a step I'm not personally comfortable with. And especially in the modern era, when the technology is cheaper and more decentralized, I prefer to see the solution to such things be competition to the Hollywood system instead of tying Hollywood's hands on political matters.)

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Some form of this is happening to me on hackernews as we speak. A long time ago, I had a lot of karma, almost a thousand. I was a model citizen for HN. But at some point, I must have posted a controversial opinion, and then HN decided they wanted to cancel me. If it wasn’t for a downvote limit per post, my karma would be below zero by now. Instead it has dwindled and deteriorated slowly over time, trending toward not…

Same here, it is like some people on here take any chance to down vote you at any given opportunity over mundane stuff.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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> Left unsaid, of course, is that ‘the conversation’ at scale is complete garbage Twitter is simply not a conversation platform. The medium is optimized for publishing small blurbs to as many people as possible. It's not designed for serious back-and-forth discussion. It rewards quips and got-ems, not nuanced debate. It's almost like a giant comments section with no subject.

I think the best content I've read on twitter are blog posts chopped up into twitter posts and reassembled on some 3rd-party viewing tool.
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