“It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.” • Hacker News Board

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by shadowgovt » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

adzzzz wrote: post #2

In her case it was not cancel culture seeking her out to ruin her life. Assumedly no one doxxed her, sent death threats, or attempted to get her fired from her job and made a pariah so she can never support herself again. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In before it's just holding people accountable. If you want to go that route there was no red scare. Joe McCarthy was just holding people accountable.

Joe McCarthy was operating with the force of government backing him in (to modern eyes) a pretty clear violation of First Amendment protections.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by saul_goodman » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

False. Sure, platform failure as described is a real thing. But the point here assumes that there are not roving gangs of people who have weaponized this platform failure as a form of virtue signaling.

Again, until you've had a few thousand people attempt to cancel you for a misunderstanding it's easy to keep repeating the lie that cancel culture doesn't exist. It does. It's real. And claiming it doesn't exist is the snake eating itself.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by heterodoxxed » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

adzzzz wrote: post #47

heterodoxxed wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Cancel culture isn't bound by politics, ethnicity, gender, etc. American conservatives are equally as guilty of this as progressives.

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Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by Waterluvian » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:23 AM UTC

As shown with the horror movie tweets, literally anything said can offend someone. This is why I created a new social media platform for Cancel culture.

https://cancel.pointless.click

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by isoskeles » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 AM UTC

> Wanna singlehandedly stop a disinfo catastrophe in October?

> Tell Twitter to eliminate Trending Topics for the whole month.

> Gaming Trending Topics was Wikileaks' strategy. It's how Pizzagate emerged from the fringe.

Pizzagate "emerged" from 4chan or 8chan, not as a Wikileaks' strategy. If we're going to talk about bad faith interpretations or "context collapse", I'd like to see an example that isn't so clearly false, almost to the point of it just being political bullshit.

I followed the logic of this story right up until it jumped into this nonsense.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by skinkestek » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 AM UTC

heterodoxxed wrote: post #39

marshmallow_12 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming BLM is a force for good.

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and

- killing of innocent people, cops and others

- large scale looting and burning of shops - often smaller stores owned by minorities AFAIK

I'm even afraid BLM has gotten many to question the whole story.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by adzzzz » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:24 AM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #51

adzzzz wrote: post #2

In her case it was not cancel culture seeking her out to ruin her life. Assumedly no one doxxed her, sent death threats, or attempted to get her fired from her job and made a pariah so she can never support herself again. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In before it's just holding people accountable. If you want to go that route there was no red scare. Joe McCarthy was just holding people accountable.

Joe McCarthy was operating with the force of government backing him in (to modern eyes) a pretty clear violation of First Amendment protections.

No politicians today participate in cancel culture? I doubt it.

Regardless let's use a non political example. I assume if the issue is "force of government" then you were 100% okay with the Hollywood Blacklists? (Generally accepted to be part of MCCarthyism) After all that's basically analogous to deplatforming and it was private companies that were doing it with no force of government. Do you support the Hollywood blacklists?

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by spondyl » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 AM UTC

CivBase wrote: post #15

> Left unsaid, of course, is that ‘the conversation’ at scale is complete garbage Twitter is simply not a conversation platform. The medium is optimized for publishing small blurbs to as many people as possible. It's not designed for serious back-and-forth discussion. It rewards quips and got-ems, not nuanced debate. It's almost like a giant comments section with no subject.

Twitter is a platform for amplifying messages to be sure.

We can see this fairly plainly when considering that both the @ symbol and hashtag were created by the community as hacks for features that didn't exist natively.

I once met one of the original employees of Twitter (back when it was Odeo) at a conference and he explained some of the early uses of the platform when it was built around SMS.

There were instances of protestors who would message "police spotted 23rd street" and presumably other users would receive that message on their timelines.

To be clear, I'm not saying Twitter was designed for protests but it seems a lot of the things that make it look more "conversational" were definitely after thoughts and so it's no wonder that it's so broken as a medium.

Even more plainly, getting anything across with nuance in 280 characters (it was 140!) is swimming against the stream no matter how many pseudo-features like threading are added.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by marshmallow_12 » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:25 AM UTC

heterodoxxed wrote: post #39

marshmallow_12 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming BLM is a force for good.

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Have they accomplished anything else? Does that justify BLM as a political organisation? How transparent are they, and who runs it? Assumptions aren't always good. BLM is not new, and i've been disturbed by the attitudes of some supporters going back a few years.

Re: “It's Not Cancel Culture – It's a Platform Failure.”

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Post by themacguffinman » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:26 AM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #51

adzzzz wrote: post #2

In her case it was not cancel culture seeking her out to ruin her life. Assumedly no one doxxed her, sent death threats, or attempted to get her fired from her job and made a pariah so she can never support herself again. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In before it's just holding people accountable. If you want to go that route there was no red scare. Joe McCarthy was just holding people accountable.

Joe McCarthy was operating with the force of government backing him in (to modern eyes) a pretty clear violation of First Amendment protections.

If Joe McCarthy operated through Twitter instead and privately convinced private companies/individuals to take action on marked individuals, would it be any less of a cancellation? Government backing certainly made it worse, but I'd think many disagree with McCarthyism because of what he did rather than how he did it.