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Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by monocasa »

nitrogen wrote: post #254
monocasa wrote: post #187

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That's almost always explicitly handled for line glitch reasons.

Haven't there been mod chips for consoles that worked by glitching the lines at just the right time?

The one I know of that glitched lines at the right time (the xbox 360 reset glitch hack modchips) worked by glitching the reset line at the right time via a CPLD that had been attached in such a way as to bypass the analog filtering.

I agree that this scheme doesn't protect against hardware implants modifying lines, but the threat model discussed thus far was around propagation of software implants throughout a system.

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Post by yummypaint »

waterside81 wrote: post #43
yummypaint wrote: post #15

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Just the other day i was watching a video of protestors taking down a drone with hundreds of laser pointers. People are literally having laser battles in the streets with police robots. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drone+lasers+protestors&t=fpas&iar...

Why does this work?

My assumption is that people have cheap high power ~50 mw rated green laser pointers of questionable origin. The green is generated by optical pumping with an IR laser. Unscrupulous manufacturers omit an IR filter, allowing the much more powerful IR beam to also pass. This is problematic because the laser eye protection you're supposed to buy to match the green wavelength wont protect your eyes from this. Anyway given the number of beams it seems like there could conceivably be enough power delivered to overheat or damage something.

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Post by [deleted] »

whimsicalism wrote: post #197
hoka-one-one wrote: post #194

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It's important for people to understand that Judaism is a minority religion that has been historically persecuted. There is nothing wrong with working to preserve the tradition and culture, and if it ends in a small amount of ethnic homogeneity then it has to be accepted as necessary, especially since "Jewish" is both a religion and an ethnicity, so in the current historical context failing to preserve Judaism means…

How does denying citizenship to minorities help preserve Jewish culture? I'm glad you've backed away from the "equal rights for all rhetoric" though. It's too bad Afrikaners didn't try harder to "preserve the traditional and culture" of minority rule in South Africa as well. Historical persecution doesn't justify enthnostates in my mind, I didn't realize this was a controversial opinion. e: Since you've now edited yo…

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Post by jkkorn »

whimsicalism wrote: post #236
sharikous wrote: post #235

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What do you mean? Can a Senegalese become a citizen of the USA (or of almost any country on Earth) without a lengthy naturalization? If not, is the USA discriminatory. Of course the right of return is just for Jews. Every country gets to set its own rules for citizenship. But Israeli citizens enjoy a reasonable democracy, with advanced civil rights, and respect human rights of others, too. Of course not at 100% but w…

The United States doesn't grant you privileges for being a Christian or being white. The United States doesn't label itself as a "white country." Israel grants privileges for being Jewish and denies citizenship if you are from Palestine.

Think of judaism as ethnicity. You can be an atheist jew and be granted Israeli citizenship. Israel is the historic homeland of the jewish culture/people.

I'd liken it to something like Country X giving special immigration privileges if you have ancestry from country X.

They don't deny citizenship if you're palestinian, granted it's as difficult if you were trying to get citizenship coming from any other country

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Post by setr »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #201
setr wrote: post #109

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If the job market is more saturated, there’s simply fewer people available to do bullshit work, at the necessary bullshit cost. Resources would be naturally allocated to more valuable efforts, and lured by better wages, by the market. As a general rule, the richer the country, the more expensive humans are, and the commodities become cheaper (relative to income) In the US, I can’t afford a full time maid. In India, I…

I understand your point, but how does minimum wage for unskilled workers factor? For example, in the US you could pay some $8/hour to 500 teenagers to achieve the same net result. No?

It makes it worse — if the job only makes sense (produces value at least at) $7.50/hr, you simply can’t execute it — even if you had people willing to work at that wage (because no better alternative exists)

An interesting aspect of poorer economy I’ve noted but haven’t seen anyone discuss otherwise is you can live a much better life being poor in India, than you can in the US — the really low income economy is far healthier (the quality of everything degrades continuously). I’m sure it’s not a novel insight, but I don’t know what others would call it.

In the US you pass under the minimum wage bar of value production and you’re immediately in a tent under an LA bridge — with everyone else ranging from $7.99/hr to $0.01/hr. Of course an economy exists to support them anyways, but it’s largely underground, illegal (bypassing safety and regulations, e.g. selling very old cars; selling cigarettes individually) and actively zoned into oblivion

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Post by whimsicalism »

jkkorn wrote: post #264
whimsicalism wrote: post #236

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The United States doesn't grant you privileges for being a Christian or being white. The United States doesn't label itself as a "white country." Israel grants privileges for being Jewish and denies citizenship if you are from Palestine.

Think of judaism as ethnicity. You can be an atheist jew and be granted Israeli citizenship. Israel is the historic homeland of the jewish culture/people. I'd liken it to something like Country X giving special immigration privileges if you have ancestry from country X. They don't deny citizenship if you're palestinian, granted it's as difficult if you were trying to get citizenship coming from any other country

I have a solid conception of judaism, I've lived in places with thriving jewish communities my entire life, and am sephardic-descended myself.

> it's as difficult if you were trying to get citizenship coming from any other country

Nope, it's more so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_and_Entry_into_Isr...

In general, I am opposed to ethnostates and granting nationality based on what bloodline you come from. I think it is ironic that there is a right of "return" for Jewish people, but no such right of return for people who were displaced during the Nakba.

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Post by ars »

pcbro141 wrote: post #259
ars wrote: post #257

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Terrorism always involves an attack on civilians. An attack on a military facility could be an act of war, but never terrorism.

The scientist I'm referring to (Mohsen Fakhrizadeh) was not killed as part of a legitimate strike on a military facility, he was killed in his car with his wife sitting in the seat next to him, on a road with many civilians around. I am doubtful that Iranian agents doing these same actions to scientists in the US or Israel on the street would be considered a legitimate military action and not terrorism.

> The scientist I'm referring to (Mohsen Fakhrizadeh) was not killed as part of a legitimate strike on a military facility, he was killed in his car with his wife sitting in the seat next to him, on a road with many civilians around.

What are you talking about "facility"? The human, named Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, was a military target, since he was the head of the nuclear weapons program in Iran.

I'm unclear what the relevance of "many civilians around". Do you imagine military targets are always isolated with never any civilians near them?

> I am doubtful that Iranian agents doing these same actions to scientists in the US or Israel on the street would be considered a legitimate military action and not terrorism.

A scientist in the US or Israel working on developing a nuclear weapon would be a military target. Why does this surprise you?

There's a reason you don't know the names of any scientists in the US or Israel working on nuclear weapons: They would instantly become targets.

Do you imagine war is some kind of game where everyone is like "it's my turn now", and there's a referee?

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Post by ars »

whimsicalism wrote: post #249
mamon wrote: post #174

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If one person thinks you're an asshole they might simply be wrong about you. If everyone in the world thinks you're an asshole then you, almost by definiton, are one. There's a reason why there's a separate word in most languages for "anti-semitism" but not for "anti-italianism" or "anti-brasilianism".

Eesh, I am not a fan of the modern Israeli state, which I consider to be pseudo-apartheid, but this is straight up anti-semitism. Surprised to see that here.

This is why when Jews tell you someone is not "anti-zionist", they are actually antisemitic, you should probably believe them.

True anti-zionists, who are not also antisemitic, are extremely rare.

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Post by dillondoyle »

reducesuffering wrote: post #251
Alupis wrote: post #191

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Trump said he'd use nuclear weapons? I must have missed this, source?

While Trump's rhetoric about "fire and fury" and retaliation against other countries was insane for a US President, he never explicitly said anything about nuclear and it's a grasp for others to imply he meant that.

Yeah I wouldn't read to much into his addled 'brain' lol but he also asked his advisors if he could Nuke hurricanes and there are lots of reports that he is fixated on them, asking 'why can't i use them' like a 8 year old wanting to use dangerous adult power tools but WHYYYY. Or responding why do we have them if we don't use them.

Sorry that's probably too much editorializing for HN but it's extremely farcical on its face.

https://time.com/4437089/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-nukes/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40879868

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Post by fastball »

whimsicalism wrote: post #244
fastball wrote: post #240

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A mostly pointless nitpick on my part. Regardless though, I'm not sure "Jews weren't being attacked because there weren't many Jews to attack" is much of an argument.

"The Nakba is not the reason for animosity against Israel because there were attacks against Jews prior to the Nakba" doesn't strike me as a solid argument either.

Really? If Muslims were attacking Jews for being Jews before the Nakba, then obviously Muslims disliking Jews does not lie at the feet of the Nakba. That is like the most solid argument I've ever heard.
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